From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 9 10:10:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 461731065673; Tue, 9 Jun 2009 10:10:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan.naumov@gmail.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.247]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFAD48FC1A; Tue, 9 Jun 2009 10:10:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan.naumov@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c3so2191482ana.13 for ; Tue, 09 Jun 2009 03:10:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=i4Midmt9YiuD+jKdcw5K9BgqMApIkWVPOETdaKjZ5XU=; b=VlTNRvWbmc09qxZEbh7xigKRsdvhZBOoHAC5CDCd2qlv22sdG1LccLMYOfpVO7V37U o/l6+8F1RN+xHaWh5HpwxOoVEoMzGuD7SdNjxbj0zxaW/GxYYJA1LCqiRypBKDQsh5d/ 38d7GR5Mu+SUrbnlt7sknLGhAnH2T/0vnKGXg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=kMT6itcHjYHks/w68CBMOqtJO6Hajs9OSk7UY5DEfyZKpM8ZvwmizB29Co2UuHIFUW VnLMMA1W3EFymxvHqOUA2v9X2ibt4CyE7YwhLjqCLWoSBr+5vYG6+QnB+VJWKYcyOaWt 3hLhWDHACgDyMiGPN2TY3eZWg7KtDganjx2Oc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.32.6 with SMTP id f6mr1180341anf.143.1244540531362; Tue, 09 Jun 2009 02:42:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 12:42:11 +0300 Message-ID: From: Dan Naumov To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 11:35:14 +0000 Cc: Subject: sysinstall, GJOURNAL and ZFS X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 10:10:17 -0000 Hello list Let me preface this by saying that I do not have coding knowledge/experience, but I am willing to donate my time to help test things if somebody is already working on this. Hopefully, this will prevent most of the potential "feel free to submit patches" responses :) Is there any work going on to make sysinstall recognize and abe able to create and work with GJOURNAL and ZFS? In the days of 1,5-2,0 terabyte harddrives, UFS2 + SoftUpdates simply doesn't cut it anymore, but since this is the only thing you can do from within sysinstall, it is what the vast majority of people giving FreeBSD a try are going to end up with. If you tell a Windows or a Linux user that having a sudden power loss or having to pull the plug on a locked system can result in an unbootable FreeBSD system, a very large portion of them is going to run away screaming, never giving FreeBSD a second look. And yes, I know that the same things can theoretically render Windows or Linux unbootable, but let's be honest here, it is a LOT more likely to happen to an UFS2 + SoftUpdates system than NTFS or EXT3/EXT4. This calls for more robust default options/settings to be presented by the sysinstall to the new user. GJOURNAL and ZFS present themselves as the most sensible options in this case. Sincerely, - Dan Naumov