From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Aug 21 14:15:32 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id OAA12197 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 14:15:32 -0700 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA12175 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 14:15:24 -0700 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id XAA28361 ; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 23:15:15 +0200 Received: from (uucp@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with UUCP id XAA15026 ; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 23:15:14 +0200 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.frmug.fr.net (8.7.Beta.11/keltia-uucp-2.4) id UAA18390; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 20:06:19 +0200 (MET DST) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199508211806.UAA18390@keltia.frmug.fr.net> Subject: Re: Install issues (was: State of the union speech To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 20:06:18 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: terry@cs.weber.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert) In-Reply-To: <199508211747.DAA03262@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Aug 22, 95 03:47:25 am X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#1000 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME7a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk It seems that Bruce Evans said: > UMSDOS is apparently a mixed blessing. It is much slower than ext2fs, and > people tend to keep using it and wonder why Linux is so slow. That's a newbie problem, not a technical one :-) > We could do demos using a big file mapped by the vn driver to a virtual > disk containing slices and partitions, but the file systems would be > very slow (even if the DOS file is contiguous, msdosfs doesn't support > clustering so it would do i/o's in too-small sizes). DOS file system's speed is something we cannot do much about, remember the goal of an UMSDOS clone... It is not to have it as a primary FS, just showing Linuxers they're not the only one with it :-) I'm sure it would appeal to many people. If they stay with it after the "trial" period, noone can do much about it except keep on saying they shouldn't... Education and knowledge is the primary problem with newbies, whether they run Linux or FreeBSD. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net FreeBSD keltia 2.2-CURRENT #15: Sun Aug 13 17:24:47 MET DST 1995