From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Nov 28 0:14:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.123.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB1AC37B419; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 00:14:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from caddis.yogotech.com (caddis.yogotech.com [206.127.123.130]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22330; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 01:14:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by caddis.yogotech.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fAS8EaX12338; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 01:14:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15364.40171.899975.611675@caddis.yogotech.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 01:14:35 -0700 To: Alfred Perlstein Cc: Nate Williams , Greg Lehey , developers@FreeBSD.org, FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: FreeBSD performing worse than Linux? In-Reply-To: <20011128020009.B46769@elvis.mu.org> References: <20011128153817.T61580@monorchid.lemis.com> <15364.38174.938500.946169@caddis.yogotech.com> <20011128020009.B46769@elvis.mu.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.96 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > I know my lack of information isn't helping much, and that I've not done > > much to help debug the problem. However, all my attempts to track down > > what is causing this from a high-level (w/out digging into the code > > itself and analyzing tcpdump output) have come up empty. > > It's not only not helping much, but it's pretty lame: > > .) You won't run tcpdump. I haven't been able to run tcpdump up till this point because the field trail folks won't tell me when they're running the tests. I haven't been able to get any real-world data (yet), and after the recent drubbing that Linux made, I may not get a chance because they're chomping at the bit to replace the box now. > .) You won't look at the code. Wrong. I've merged in bugfixes. But, I don't have time to walk through the entire TCP/IP stack trying to figure out what's changed between 3.X and 4.X to see what's changed. > .) You won't give good details. I'm telling you all the details I have. If I had better details, I'd have given them. I've not said anything up till this point because I haven't had good details, but Greg's post reflected the same sort of behavior I've been seeing, so I was simply agreeing with his unknown friend. > Is there anything else you can do other than to possibly spread FUD > about FreeBSD's network performance? You call it FUD, I call it real-world results. I'm not the only one who's seen these kinds of results. > Get off your behind and do some serious investigation (I'm pretty > certain you're capable of it) and we'll be able to work this out > in no time. It's not my problem, except because of my interest in making FreeBSD look good. Fighting for FreeBSD has created me more enemies than friends here, so I'm not doing myself any favors continually try to defend the numbers/results we're seeing. If you want me to shutup and go into a corner, it might make you feel better, but it certainly won't solve the real problem. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message