From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 24 11:00:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA10357 for current-outgoing; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 11:00:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA10243 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 10:58:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA12316; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 10:52:09 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199610241752.KAA12316@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Possibility? To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 10:52:09 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <11700.846128180@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Oct 23, 96 08:36:20 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > The core team members largely self-schedule themselves, more according > to whatever available time and energy resources are available that > week than any quickly-obsolete "master plan", but if one wanted to > back-solve from this and call the sum of their decisions "core team > policy" then yeah, I guess you could do that too. ;-) > > Jordan > > P.S. Of course this isn't ISO 9000 compliant management, but then about > 95% of the existing core team would probably walk if it were, so the > medicine would be worse than the cure. Why does everyone assume (incorrectly, IMO) that it is onerous to 1) Say what you are going to do 2) Do what you say ? This is, in fact, all that ISO 9000 is: a means of guaranteeing consistency between intent and subsequent action. If we are all supposedly "in it for the fun", then games theory dictates that having a consistent rule set which is consistently and uniformly applied, will remove stress for everyone. For the record, I have only ever suggested that consistency guarantees need to be made in the areas of: o Release management o Source tree management (including build process definition) o Policy definition o Policy application ...I have *never* suggested that the core team (or any other FreeBSD contributor) should be treated as if they were a compensated employee, and held to task for their actions, or to a rigid timeline for a schedule. So please do not change this from an issue of policy definition (which is what I was looking at) to one of holding to a timeline. Thanks, Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers.