From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 19 12:21:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18B361065674 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:21:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from timo.schoeler@riscworks.net) Received: from tydirium.riscworks.net (tydirium.riscworks.net [213.73.89.76]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2A708FC0A for ; Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:21:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from timo.schoeler@riscworks.net) Received: by tydirium.riscworks.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 140EE58D8; Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:04:15 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on tydirium.riscworks.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL autolearn=failed version=3.2.5 Received: from soyuz.interdotnet.de (soyuz.InterDotNet.De [213.73.110.138]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by tydirium.riscworks.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7F6D94F50; Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:04:12 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A3B7E71.5000003@riscworks.net> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:02:57 +0200 From: Timo Schoeler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090327) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, misc@openbsd.org References: <735E59909DEB44AF92825EA7C65CF430@ionicoffice.ionic.co.uk> <00265389C30B444288C246DF37651D0C249024DD1B@server-02.playsafesa.com> <6101e8c40906190408h5b6a4496td12e2b9e4872459e@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: Open Vs Free BSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:21:46 -0000 thus demuel@thephinix.org spake: > Oh why can't this versus this versus that never dies? There had been > raging debate about which OSes is much better compared to the others since > time immemorial. Sure, each one has its own merits over the others and > vice versa. Exactly. > So why feeding this issue up since up to this very moment, > there is no winner. The solution is very easy, IMHO... I have been quite 'radical' WRT the OS I chose to use in the past. I ran/run all, i.e. Net/Open/FreeBSD and DragonFly, among others. I took part in the BSD vs. GNU discussion in the past. But what I learnt during the years is this: * There's always a 'best choice' for the job. On the load balancer I choose OpenBSD, and on my GFs computer I install Ubuntu. Vice versa would not work. * Life's to short for those narrow-headed discussions. Timo >> and the security is in netbsd: >> >> http://netbsd.gw.com/cgi-bin/man-cgi?security+8+NetBSD-5.0 >> http://www.netbsd.org/~elad/recent/recent06.pdf >> >> On 6/19/09, Ivan Voras wrote: >>> Kim Attree wrote: >>> >>>> NetBSD runs on just about anything. That's it's primary goal. Since I >>>> don't >>>> have any weird hardware, I've never had a use for NetBSD. >>> I don't use NetBSD either but some recent development that come from >>> that camp are very interesting: >>> >>> * Journalling UFS ("smart" journalling, not gjournal) >>> * PUFFS (BSD implementation of FUSE-like system [file system in >>> userland]) >>> * They had Xen dom0 and domU for years >>> * They are starting to show decent results in SMP support, including a >>> new scheduler (a bit similar to ULE); their GENERIC has SMP included >>> * Possibly superpages, I'm not sure how to parse "Merged amd64 and i386 >>> pmap. Large pages are always used if available" >>> * I think they are working on their own ZFS port >>> * They have ported or reimplemented Linux LVM (read+write+admin) >>> >>> There are of course other things; see for example >>> http://www.netbsd.org/releases/formal-5/NetBSD-5.0.html >>> >>> I have a feeling the project has been revitalized in the last few years.