From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 27 02:26:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A85802B9 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 02:26:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@eitanadler.com) Received: from mail-lb0-f178.google.com (mail-lb0-f178.google.com [209.85.217.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 053FEA7A for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 02:26:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f178.google.com with SMTP id n1so2447573lba.23 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2013 18:26:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=eitanadler.com; s=0xdeadbeef; h=x-received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=vnyfWrUoZX+LjnAj7IfmuAizW73UGMvvoRrONHaNhNY=; b=GEog92Z3Ei9vs0D+ShE6RRKFiwglDz8qHQAmbFGlKO+0EQfgpjfka9Wt1n7lJrRT2s hWzoMiwWflARD4qcvsKi2uvdw0sILkcLvrbZZYYseVldOyGDfnJQAimU3EqhsYfyRJgr O/D7OFW07BwLnJ4DgGNlX9g4xlY2FjjOtcplM= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=vnyfWrUoZX+LjnAj7IfmuAizW73UGMvvoRrONHaNhNY=; b=ATzKqpBkTB1Qj1yQX021kFbq17Ay6zSst+2XjMWU5AbdbthOSP2kIOlRGP58tMST6+ z09ToA2exRkq/7LHNd2u8P1iKPZ7qAphFLcuKpxVFZQqD7bYF9NJBnQ6iyKn+9v/bRQF KrG8Qd2NLhxZu562+wYFgryfjO9r92ei7Kqboh4DhYz8FC7gy81r6FNV4gAWh0FQFmGr stpX3JWHRen7qaNlXuSm/rSMYYwithjnQIkZxIazQWZCZKjnXzll69xbK+GStaK2Fufa U9BxgiR53gzjzq+oputfc0MMw2UryircN5a5ad9ZofStrapV/xO99qDuX0lfneJriUS9 seKA== X-Received: by 10.152.106.5 with SMTP id gq5mr9376076lab.5.1359253600478; Sat, 26 Jan 2013 18:26:40 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.100.164 with HTTP; Sat, 26 Jan 2013 18:26:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1359241802-3572135.75152325.fr0QN9mrI032137@rs149.luxsci.com> From: Eitan Adler Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 21:26:10 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: removing CVS in Handbook Updating and Upgrading chapter To: Warren Block Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkfauoBOwp0bpSZmb9TIflQAHd7k69hJQefiQKU2sVU8ciE6y0XjEqD4ssS0xVLFuctdGz/ Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 02:26:42 -0000 On 26 January 2013 21:05, Warren Block >> Not sure if I need to explain this, but: >> For a large number of system integrators, building userland/kernel from >> source is critical. >> Most of these builds happen before ports/pkg get installed, (if they even >> do). The current state of SVN, binary packages, ports mechanism changes, >> and otherwise- all make for some nasty chicken/egg problems for many systems >> integrators. We should certainly be striving to remove references to CVS from as many places as possible. I have no objections to leaving one (obviously marked) chapter about the old way of doing things. > This part of the Handbook refers to fetching source for -CURRENT or -STABLE. > We should not be suggesting CVS to new users who want to run development > versions of FreeBSD. It's a misdirection, like a Perldoc-esque "here's an > example, but you should never, ever do this". > > Existing CVS users already know how to use it, being existing and all. So > the removal of CVS information from this chapter should not harm anyone > already using it and should help by not steering newcomers to the wrong > tool. +1 -- Eitan Adler