From owner-freebsd-current Wed Feb 5 17:29:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA02883 for current-outgoing; Wed, 5 Feb 1997 17:29:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from Mailbox.mcs.com (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA02854; Wed, 5 Feb 1997 17:29:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from Jupiter.Mcs.Net (karl@Jupiter.mcs.net [192.160.127.88]) by Mailbox.mcs.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id TAA02109; Wed, 5 Feb 1997 19:28:57 -0600 (CST) Received: (from karl@localhost) by Jupiter.Mcs.Net (8.8.5/8.8.2) id TAA22263; Wed, 5 Feb 1997 19:28:57 -0600 (CST) From: Karl Denninger Message-Id: <199702060128.TAA22263@Jupiter.Mcs.Net> Subject: Re: Blacklisting and being "asked" to deinstall FreeBSD - you heard that right! To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 19:28:57 -0600 (CST) Cc: dg@root.com, karl@mcs.net, spork@super-g.com, tqbf@enteract.com, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <24999.855189678@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Feb 5, 97 04:41:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > representing us called you until just a couple of minutes ago. Jordan is not > > representing the core team if he has told you to do the above, and he does > > not have the support of any of us in this issue. > > It's also not what I told Karl, but he will slant things as he will. > I suggested he might want to seek other alternatives if we were such > cretins in his eyes (his letter have hardly been complimentary up to > now, let's put it that way) and that OpenBSD seemed to have a security > policy more in-line with his own demands. I need a tape recorder on my phone calls. You're lying Jordan. I already caught one lie when I spoke with John Dyson. Now I have (at least) two. You made it VERY clear that either I play by YOUR rules or forget playing at all. You represented this as the position of the ENTIRE core team. You tried to play the injunction game, and I asked you how you intended to enforce that -- at which point you stated that you couldn't (which is obvious). You also played the "go play with Theo" game too, which I also refused to do. I asked you multiple times about your intent during the few minutes we were on the phone, and even STARTED with the statement that if you just called to bitch I had no reason to continue. On the third or forth iteration of that the call was terminated as it was obvious that nothing further remained to be discussed. You lied about John Dyson's position on the issues; I talked to him IMMEDIATELY after you hung up. He said in no uncertain terms that he did not share the opinion you expressed to me, and further, that you had no business representing his opinion to ANYONE at ANY TIME, and in fact, that nobody other than John himself had any business doing that. > I still feel that way. However, I do not see why Karl feels so > compelled to discuss all of this in inappropriate mailing lists like > this one, and I think that it really does need to go to -chat RIGHT > NOW to borrow some caps from Karl or see the rest of this thread > filtered for abusing the mailing list charter. Oh, right. Now you're being censorious about this. > To most folks who've been forced to endure this so far, it's just > unwelcome noise and lots of it. I don't need it, you don't need it, > core doesn't need it and I daresay that Karl doesn't need it. > > Jordan Misrepresentation needs to be corrected when it occurs. You're misrepresenting the conversation. Severely. I'm done. I won't respond to this thread again, but I will go forward with my own mirroring and parallel track unless the core convinces me otherwise in PRIVATE communication. So you get your wish -- no more discussion on -current. Not that its relavent. -- -- Karl Denninger (karl@MCS.Net)| MCSNet - The Finest Internet Connectivity http://www.mcs.net/~karl | T1's from $600 monthly to FULL DS-3 Service | 99 Analog numbers, 77 ISDN, Web servers $75/mo Voice: [+1 312 803-MCS1 x219]| Email to "info@mcs.net" WWW: http://www.mcs.net/ Fax: [+1 773 248-9865] | 2 FULL DS-3 Internet links; 400Mbps B/W Internal