From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 29 05:24:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC83216A412 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 05:24:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lydianconcepts@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.184]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1625843D46 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 05:24:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lydianconcepts@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id p77so1820722nfc for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 22:24:06 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=FHnpz+y/fOOQZ8Fnet31BOBB79jDTCmFXTgmoAlM4w1X7sRBx8Xo5uJNJ5bevuduGNRvtsKY8b5A2eboTe1M6h8qTx1BZA9/92iGoX6wOwGikfisGxCbP3nN4kjH4FmcueXRblu4GmZzRUdITg4u315Sxxh+Wq9Sy0lTD71KW5g= Received: by 10.78.127.2 with SMTP id z2mr2570865huc; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 22:24:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.199.15 with HTTP; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 22:24:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7579f7fb0610282224q54743df1y5d6bc07832ba373f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 22:24:06 -0700 From: "Matthew Jacob" To: "FreeBSD Current" In-Reply-To: <4544380E.4010604@samsco.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <45425D92.8060205@elischer.org> <200610281132.21466.davidxu@freebsd.org> <20061028105454.S69980@fledge.watson.org> <20061028194125.GL30707@riyal.ugcs.caltech.edu> <20061028204357.A83519@fledge.watson.org> <200610290344.k9T3itAw054920@apollo.backplane.com> <4544380E.4010604@samsco.org> Subject: Re: Comments on the KSE option X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 05:24:08 -0000 On 10/28/06, Scott Long wrote: > > > > All this debate about the merits of process scope threads and fair > scheduling is great. But tell me, who was working on making this stuff > work well quickly and reliably (i.e. work well)? No one! I don't care > what AIX or Solaris or what else may or may not have done, who was > making this work well for FreeBSD? Having a slow a thread subsystem is > a serious detriment, no matter how nice and flexible it looks on paper. This is the key point that needs to brought home over and over again. This is what (I believe) PHK indirectly also pointed out with his announcement of some problems a month or so back. In the timeline of where FreeBSD-current is with respect to gelling toward some plan of releasing it, it's "Show me the money" time.