From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 1 22:10:22 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E431A274; Tue, 1 Apr 2014 22:10:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pb0-x234.google.com (mail-pb0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c01::234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A430F229; Tue, 1 Apr 2014 22:10:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pb0-f52.google.com with SMTP id rr13so10561109pbb.11 for ; Tue, 01 Apr 2014 15:10:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=pXKT5EPpxxOl9+VH+n3jZOAJShxREg91tH4x5sdSWfo=; b=0A2/kDNybRCc8QfLzx1EAvD+PNPGmyY2nGm7UQjnN1qbFR3u5kbHQE9+aK7mOdJcZy bd3pa9yJxN8XTNCuIbbzzghRikIfiA+QKoHi0hRTH7aRgXFr+Fvmt3mca+YRace66YYq LFEOrqz+UD+qKHiiTXfoLv4lK6nJdcKiAkEDxl15AtBuvkaS2PxMh3+CATk7+JM16GCM V0Bn2nstm1PFnzJlgoY3DNWGrUX9WkPTe2Ncq/NTSYP6tjILT2XwvbQEQwlA0zCc4xDu idAuu5CMRiRrIAaR11i4F+0iXqzFda4SOHfNtCFQUNu5CNqN9/8sWGm+4rLNZINtXExP kLfg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.67.8.102 with SMTP id dj6mr33772185pad.10.1396390222246; Tue, 01 Apr 2014 15:10:22 -0700 (PDT) Sender: kob6558@gmail.com Received: by 10.66.73.34 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Apr 2014 15:10:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20140401195006.GA1368@tiny-r255948> References: <20140401094044.GX44074@e-new.0x20.net> <083e01cf4db9$f8f4e040$eadea0c0$@FreeBSD.org> <20140401174302.GU44074@e-new.0x20.net> <20140401195006.GA1368@tiny-r255948> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 15:10:22 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: QqTOFrVGUBoZhG504j-lhEweU-E Message-ID: Subject: Re: Leaving the Desktop Market From: Kevin Oberman To: Matthias Apitz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.17 Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, Lars Engels , Eitan Adler , hackers@freebsd.org, dteske@freebsd.org, Jordan Hubbard , "current@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2014 22:10:23 -0000 On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Matthias Apitz wrote: > El d=C3=ADa Tuesday, April 01, 2014 a las 07:43:02PM +0200, Lars Engels > escribi=C3=B3: > > > > > > > That is why on this date I propose that we cease competing on t= he > > > > > > desktop market. FreeBSD should declare 2014 to be "year of the > > > [snip] > > > > > > > I'm a happy FreeBSD desktop user since 4.7. There are some edges, > but I > > > > really like that I can can create a desktop the way _I_ want it and > my mail > > > > client even allows me to break lines at 80 chars. Eat that, Apple > Mail! ;-) > > > > > > What e-mail client do you use? Evolution? > > > > No, mutt, with vim as mail composer. :) > > +1 > > matthias > > (FreeBSD since 2.2.5 and sending this from an EeePC 900, > netbook, UMTS connected, KDE4 desktop, sound, webcam, vim, mutt, > sendmail, ...) > FreeBSD desktop since 3.3 (makes me a newbie!) I really dislike pulseaudio and have managed to live without it. Firefox works fine without it. Unfortunately they dropped OSS support a while go, so I now must use alsa, but it works well and without the pain of dealing with pulseaudio, a solution in search of a problem it I ever saw one. Audio output is pretty system dependent, but I had little problem getting my audio to auto-switch to headphones when I plugged them in. The setup is a bit ugly,but I only had to check the available PINs (ugly, ugly) and set up stuff once. It just works. If you want my example set-up, I can post it somewhere or you can look in the archives for it as I have posted it in the past. I used exmh with emacs for years, but no when work stopped allowing private SMTP systems, I switched to Thunderbird. Not great, but satisfactory. I must use a bit of emulation but it works. (E.g. Flash, alsa) I can run what I need and have been happy to avoid the issues Windows users have to deal with (Can you day Windows 8 or Metro?) Power is an issue and I find the current defaults suck. Read mav's article on the subject on the wiki. --=20 R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer, Retired E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com