From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 13 15:51:10 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44C4116A4BF for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:51:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rambo.401.cx (rambo.401.cx [80.65.205.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CB5B43FD7 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:50:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Received: from 401.cx (rocky [192.168.0.2]) by rambo.401.cx (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9DMoCTn031709; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 00:50:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Message-ID: <3F8B2C1C.5070709@401.cx> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 00:50:04 +0200 From: "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030901 Thunderbird/0.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Johnson David References: <200310111021.20897.j.e.drews@worldnet.att.net> <200310131026.20013.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> In-Reply-To: <200310131026.20013.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: Advocacy Subject: Re: A case of FreeBSD users shooting all FreeBSD users in the foot X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 22:51:10 -0000 Johnson David wrote: > On Saturday 11 October 2003 08:21 am, Jonathan wrote: > > >> When those people unleash those flames never consider the >>consequences. I have to wonder how many businesses have rejected >>FreeBSD because some prospect "asked a stupid question". The whole >>flamming and "RTFM" phenomena is really an ego trip for people who >>are just so in love with themselves. > > > I have a difficult time envisioning a business getting its information > off of IRC. Mailing lists I can userstand. Forums I can understand. But > IRC? No offense to those of you using it, but IRC in general has a > reputation of peurility. > > "We sent an executive committee over to the school playground, whereupon > several unidentified toddlers proceeded to throw mud at them. The > conclusion is to hold off on the OS decision until we find a playground > where the toddlers are more friendly." > > David A bussiness itself will most likely not search on IRC after information, but the people in charge of the bussiness might very well base their decisions on their own experiences. I have a friend that runs Linux, Solaris, NetBSD, even QNX, but he wont touch Free- or OpenBSD. I have tried to convince him to atleast try them, but he refuses and says that he has already tried them once. While I asked why he didnt like them, I was told that he didnt mind the os's themself, it was the communities he didnt like. Appareantly, when he tried FreeBSD he turned to IRC for help, and some morons in a #freebsd channel didnt have enough sense to behave like grown ups. He turned to OpenBSD instead, and got some of the infamous OpenBSD attitude on the mailinglists. Now, he runs just about every os except free and open. Lets say that my friend would start a bussiness, which is not totally hard to believe since he is a really smart guy with sometimes brilliant ideas. What do you think the odds are that he would base his bussines on Open- or FreeBSD? My guess is that it would be yet another bussiness turning to Linux instead of BSD, due to reasons that have nothing to do with the capability of the os. -- R