From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 20 16:52:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ACEA143 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 16:52:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from graudeejs@yandex.ru) Received: from forward5h.mail.yandex.net (forward5h.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:f05::5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73F128FC16 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 16:52:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from web2h.yandex.ru (web2h.yandex.ru [84.201.186.31]) by forward5h.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id C7881D00A53; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 20:52:01 +0400 (MSK) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by web2h.yandex.ru (Yandex) with ESMTP id 3EDAB4EF000D; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 20:52:01 +0400 (MSK) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1353430321; bh=WlKl1eWPUbZmyS7McSZNzAwQ8cD7OGVP95nn142aKpw=; h=From:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:Date; b=tVIPRyXekVirBLEOD+04IMwftIo3qlgqSLdffisDVQ34sKUWRywytwV/PnX7y2c2x 3+ktd/9CVoNGFNMu0Cm1FyQZKXun9GqzBJF2ouFsmpHgypaXTd5mFLx8AM2ZbFFB+I Kb7hSqYQIvPmXvgkKLffzBVGwTApcTeqDf5ksZck= Received: from mpe-11-155.mpe.lv (mpe-11-155.mpe.lv [83.241.11.155]) by web2h.yandex.ru with HTTP; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 20:52:01 +0400 From: Aldis Berjoza To: Chuck Burns , "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" In-Reply-To: <50ABB0C7.7070404@gmail.com> References: <50ABAF8E.3020101@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <50ABB0C7.7070404@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Upgrading FreeBSD to use the NEW pf syntax. (Copied from freebsd-pf) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <1023391353430321@web2h.yandex.ru> X-Mailer: Yamail [ http://yandex.ru ] 5.0 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 18:52:01 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 16:52:16 -0000 20.11.2012, 18:34, "Chuck Burns" : > On 11/20/2012 10:27 AM, O. Hartmann wrote: > >> šOn 11/20/12 11:43, Olivier Smedts wrote: >>> š2012/11/20 Paul Webster : >>>> šI am aware this is a much discussed subject since the upgrade of PF, I >>>> šbelieve the final decision was that to many users are used to the old >>>> šstyle pf and an upgrade to the new syntax would cause to much confusion. >>> šBut a change like this is expected in a new major branch, ie. >>> š10-CURRENT. Not so in -STABLE branches of course. I don't see the >>> šproblem here. >>> >>> šCheers >> šWhat would be the alternative? Being stuck with the old PF? šAs Olivier >> šSmedts said, changes like that are expected in a complete new branch. If >> špeople need to stay compatible, they are about to use 9.X as long as >> šthey have migrated. The downside is more work. The bright side would be >> šdevelopment/progression. >> >> šoh > > Why not release pf2 as a port? šThen those who want the new pf can use > it, and those that want the old one can use it. > > Or, another option is a knob USE_NEWPF during buildworld will build the > new pf, otherwise it'd build the old, default one. > > This way you can still introduce the change, but default to the old one > for those of us who are too crusty to change. :) > FreeBSD already have 3x firewalls. Having 4th m I think, isn't desired. -- Aldis Berjoza FreeBSD addict