From nobody Thu Jun 1 08:30:10 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4QWzpg6KCrz4Y5L3 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2023 08:30:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from garyj@gmx.de) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.22]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.gmx.net", Issuer "Telekom Security ServerID OV Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QWzpg2t6Mz3pB3 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2023 08:30:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from garyj@gmx.de) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.de; s=s31663417; t=1685608215; i=garyj@gmx.de; bh=Dpb4C+/yXDqPLzg6iBp4BE195UXl3q1jFE+WEG4Ai/8=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References: Reply-To; b=jkRsYa+BgVkM4iNbEM9AUddxmymGZJl+xX8lpKNc9d5+4Xw1cGusuychycAS7StEM mELto9gtvN+gCi93rf+IJfNbPWmckSlPdA/nRpcVprm6+5e93D5VJwFrCeM3est3bq BRVnHDe1JC3CccJVKsp6cwP/7GymNNiU30SQHGXkyvrBoZgpdSSKTalcW4gcwzp/Do hniF1RX9OB9+RBNNMrtY7NfG0JPDgS0WwwHkwvwdlLM7q4ZyiUa92Zrx2Fzi8Fjatj h8K8K0dO6tKc6IfvpI/hCsLuO7SHPuzUWLEfNHGwH6nOVi3niviB2Pertww65GMCR0 68RLB1iN0oZqQ== X-UI-Sender-Class: 724b4f7f-cbec-4199-ad4e-598c01a50d3a Received: from ernst.home ([91.59.239.47]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx104 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1M2f9b-1q4MiO2dId-004D30; Thu, 01 Jun 2023 10:30:15 +0200 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2023 08:30:10 +0000 From: Gary Jennejohn To: Warner Losh Cc: FreeBSD CURRENT Subject: Re: WITH_BEARSSL: -8112 bytes available Message-ID: <20230601103010.69f92495@ernst.home> In-Reply-To: References: <20230529105854.1903226d@thor.intern.walstatt.dynvpn.de> <20230531213026.275c4eaf@ernst.home> Reply-To: garyj@gmx.de X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.19.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd14.0) List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:fE093BEt+CF/JkT1uCogaZm/8FjRmxhVg/4xT5D4S3Y6lWBgnLI PVAVjaQxgPYqQG0sMGZVnIrvDUbXQaX2p8Xboet9l2ZiBfGfV25gPKwVw1e+JTQi9SjKdFZ oKIwXw6RA2EBzoNZXheL4u23yxf1Z939ExNu6eCXjtfRc4IgtfuTHLw1UVAH+OlrykOAq/T Z9IpQ1smrOGNQy9MterDg== X-Spam-Flag: NO UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:Ws+CzfXgkks=;Qfh//NRfMUjnYVmYDCT7JazIO8l gVDhSX2MEXyyh0FvDmUJ+j1X1r0964E2ue/GjSFN+LksAv8GKQa5inOBj0pONt0RSxozFtOrY +ciWr9BwU7h+M+daJAG3qrqkfM7D/QPIT2xYWPtkBkPffEvF9t1LZOcXKSJ7hXAlxBHe2ztnD GmJ+z6YiruYQCAoEGuQ9H88oHUu8NM0zAndTGdF77Is9lq38mrpd9Lxx6xH96jxs2PSlpfBrU 7HRzLQBDMYMeo9BpDpPNYbhyfxr7egedZwAFToe4SD+M/uviQTQfp3aHU76pqHg9TcuEXoHj8 jCdLW/fCqyNkXzFlBJIdz7HpgoyUpevh1b7epTD7zkrUXZjcL0RLACHnUZ5MM1JX6j0NbZiw5 T+74jCa4TUETrPvFVbp6WwvFzyMVVZ9FwtsvejUD7qjNUmZ5atefgsUWq2efFokNO8gTilY3V aiDOdJ7VPUS1HtaoRMbDFBVEDlnDU0dgOTk5xuxMsj2PL0A2E6xT2l9zOdGnjz9aUmTQWJPO2 Uh7f9YEwB1s7HwxpwddkdAS89XUf72ilZAuCRN70pO2OJ72GqPsLOAOoVMiPCW18O38kTM2Va b2KWiND036Q+aaLF/YWL3GQBoF/d4dvTrfv9WLvbxAtifprWGvlmFjehDS4JeNo0cWQaY0b28 LAtCx/e2sdklFA0Q8ocGSdSI/ASX/ZUlX3JnneMU5kbDk9BPfchuk50MdnuNgGNSXwm2RlccV 1GT7Tmbs0IsApy4gaOMR4vx9VQQuiizuZ/xIKLcjj8uJ5KUT0acWrD+WkJK/XtZaq8qRT/+0P K6VwRR9E9UIpaUoWspqzSOIA3Mnv8LFh6iGcwEQHTDtGaTiVBx95MuasONNHb+E13bG3n2kAP 568+jdX7+ot6ucvCtqJoCutFW19UjETA7MuW37y3+SmuXeEOuhECoSfEFx1tdk8mBTbRCoyeh ioieDw== X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QWzpg2t6Mz3pB3 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Wed, 31 May 2023 14:41:23 -0600 Warner Losh wrote: > On Wed, May 31, 2023 at 1:30?PM Gary Jennejohn wrote: > > > On Wed, 31 May 2023 12:15:12 -0600 > > Warner Losh wrote: > > > > [SNIP irrelevant text] > > > > > And no, I really do not want to support 'loadable modules'. BIOS boo= ting > > is > > > on the way out, and people > > > that want to do complex stuff in the boot loader will simply have to= do > > > that in UEFI or maybe kboot/LinuxBoot. > > > > So, what exactly does "BIOS booting is on the way out" mean? I have f= our > > computers which use BIOS booting. Three are too old to support UEFI a= nd > > the other one I simply set to BIOS booting out of habit. > > > > New computers aren't supporting it. Its days are numbered. It's longevit= y is > much shorter than UEFI's. These are all indisputable. I'm not planning o= n > dropping it in 15, but the number of people that are using it is a decli= ning > group over time. Time spent making EFI more effective will affect more > people. That's what I mean. So I don't want to sink a ton of time into i= t. > OK, that makes sense. If it disappears after 15 I guess I'll have to maintain it myself. Should be doable. =2D- Gary Jennejohn