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It also wouldn't be that difficult to simply modify mailman(= 2) > to adopt the py3.x language changes.=20 Given that Mailman is mainly a text processing machine with various heads (mail, web and CGI, command line) interfaces, and one of the ideas driving the incompatible Python 3 was to clean up the delineation of the strings/bytes/unicode types from one another and see to encoding. we'd be in for lots of - ironically speaking - "fun" - meaning code audits, revisions, possibly explicit code to write for the front lines to properly decode external input and encode internal output. I haven't looked into too much detail, but attaining 100% conversion and test coverage would be a challenge and possibly a major undertaking. I'd assume had it been as simple as 2to3 or py-futurize or adopting py-six, someone might have done that already.