From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 26 17:36:51 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16D7316A4CE for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 17:36:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 799A843D31 for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 17:36:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from EM1897@aol.com) Received: from EM1897@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r5.33.) id e.1e6.38328d96 (16087); Sat, 26 Mar 2005 12:36:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mblk-d39 (mblk-d39.mblk.aol.com [205.188.212.223]) by air-id10.mx.aol.com (v104.18) with ESMTP id MAILINID104-3ed742459da3195; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 12:36:35 -0500 Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 12:36:35 -0500 Message-Id: <8C700417DCC63B0-380-38F13@mblk-d39.sysops.aol.com> From: em1897@aol.com References: <200503251653.j2PGr3j01842@clunix.cl.msu.edu> <8C6FF97EBDFE0EC-A44-3796E@mblk-d34.sysops.aol.com> <9e46c99e05032514415054a44e@mail.gmail.com> <4244962A.6090607@makeworld.com> <8C700348197B88C-EAC-39749@mblk-d17.sysops.aol.com> <42458C4C.9040603@makeworld.com> Received: from 24.47.116.25 by mblk-d39.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.223) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 26 Mar 2005 12:36:35 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <42458C4C.9040603@makeworld.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 1.0.0.11984 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 To: racerx@makeworld.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.212.223 cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A Riddle X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 17:36:51 -0000 --- Chris wrote: > em1897@aol.com wrote: > > Hmm, I wonder if the lack of performance, or the > unwanted > > emails were more heavily weighted in the > decision? > > > > If there was any intelligent life on the list you > could > > counter what you call "Trolls" with solid technical > > arguments. This reminds me of the old bsdi > > list. A bunch of half-wits who are just happy > > to belong to something and have other half-wits > > to correspond with. > > > > FreeBSD used to have open discussions between > > users and developers and it used to be real > > good. Now it sucks and the developers are > > detached, off in their own little world. See > > a pattern? > > > > But with a user base from places like gnu-rox.org > > and makeworld.com, what do you expect I > > guess? > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Xavier Maillard > > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > Sent: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 12:43:35 +0100 > > Subject: Re: A Riddle > > > > On 25 Mar 2005, Chris wrote: > > > >> If we're to prove a point to those that name > call, are rude, > >> troll, and all the other recent events, we must > do so on our > >> level. Allow them to spew what ever it is they > spew, and we > >> must simply either ignore it (the correct way > imho) Kill em > >> with kindness, OR, reply in such a fashion that > the user has no > >> idea what we're saying. > >> > >> Let's stop the erosion of this list now before it > goes too far. > >> > >> Over and out... > > > > > > I totally agree. This plus other things are the > reasons why I > > chose to switch to another OS. > > Users that Insult people that offer help (good or > bad) says much about > that user. > > The tactic at hand (at least with the user that top > posts) is to do > nothing more then what it is hoping to do - incite > anger *Sigh* > > Oh well - most of us are certainly above that. I don't agree. The spread of disinformation is like allowing a cancer to go untreated. There are a lot of people recommending a very poorly implemented OS because of the propaganda disseminated here. People's jobs and businesses are at stake. People waste a tremendous amount of time (me included) based on the ridiculously inaccurate comments made by people on this list. And like with alchoholism, the first step is admitting that you have a problem. If you're going to keep RA-RAing this "effort", then you are part of the problem. You can make a person "Angry" by calling him a loser. But if the shoe fits, it may very well need to be said to get him off his butt. As an aside, all of the major web mail providers default to "top posting". Google (ever hear of them?) only shows the top N lines of a post. So if you bottom post, you don't see the message you want to see without having to make an effort. So when are you troglodytes going to climb out of your 1994 hibernations and get with the times? You may prefer one over the other, but its hardly a capital offense to do otherwise. Most of us have evolved out of our unix newsreaders. Anyone with a brain is using web mail for mailing lists these days: no more whining about spam or "wasted bandwidth".