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Chuck Swiger wrote:

> Should the RNG be looking at the sound card's output, or at the sound 
> card's microphone input?  I think Pawel was talking about the latter, 

I tried to make a point that (though I forgot to mention mic/line input)
it's the same - from my experience input also depends on the things I
said...

> Try using digital sound output via coax or TOSLINK (fibre & red laser); 
> the inside of a computer is a horribly noisy place to do D/A conversion, 
> and nowadays most home receivers can accept SPDIF input and give you a 
> better sound.

You won't find those in low-end beige-boxen I was talking about :)