From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 31 17:49:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B886216A4DD; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:49:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@hub.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08E4A43D55; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:49:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@hub.org) Received: from localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.208.251]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30317291AF8; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:49:23 -0300 (ADT) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.208.251]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12814-03; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:49:24 -0300 (ADT) Received: from ganymede.hub.org (blk-224-179-167.eastlink.ca [24.224.179.167]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63BF2290C37; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:49:22 -0300 (ADT) Received: by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1027) id 57BEA5CB43; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:49:24 -0300 (ADT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52D3C5C9C4; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:49:24 -0300 (ADT) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:49:24 -0300 (ADT) From: User Freebsd To: Alex Zbyslaw In-Reply-To: <44CE3945.6070900@dial.pipex.com> Message-ID: <20060731143843.G27679@ganymede.hub.org> References: <20060728164526.E27679@ganymede.hub.org> <87slklj9hu.fsf@photon.homelinux.org> <20060729021007.F27679@ganymede.hub.org> <44CD41EC.6030605@freebsd.org> <20060730233839.I27679@ganymede.hub.org> <44CDAA98.3030702@freebsd.org> <44CDD1C6.6080401@lvor.halvorsen.cc> <20060731132625.X27679@ganymede.hub.org> <44CE3945.6070900@dial.pipex.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Colin Percival Subject: Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:49:26 -0000 On Mon, 31 Jul 2006, Alex Zbyslaw wrote: > But this will then only count from the first version(s) of FreeBSD which > contain the periodic job. Then every machine running an earlier release > would be a ghost. Agreed, but any "active" counting will fail dealing with older machines, regardless ... this is something that should have been implemented / started *ages* ago ... we will never have "# of sales figures" we can market ourselves to vendors based on, but, we also have nothing in the way of "# of deployments" figures ... > I think the bottom line I see is that whatever you do, you cannot count > everything. *If* some kind of counting could be done *now* using > portsnap and cvsup servers that are amenable, then you reasonably > quickly start getting some kind of count. cvsup, i don't believe, will give us any #s, mainly since it doesn't seem to really provide any information: # grep 68851 /var/log/cvsup Apr 29 23:15:08 postgresql cvsupd[68851]: +4338 ?@184.word-to-the-wise.com (turbine.word-to-the-wise.com) [SNAP_16_1h/17.0] Apr 29 23:15:13 postgresql cvsupd[68851]: =4338 [96Kin+3Kout] pgsql/cvs Apr 29 23:15:13 postgresql cvsupd[68851]: -4338 [97Kin+3Kout] Finished successfully > The some kind of optional periodic job can also be rolled out and many > months down the line it would start to produce potentially more reliable > (i.e. higher :-)) figures, assuming ppl were amenable to running it. > But if you have to wait for 6.3 or 7.0 or whatever, and then wait for > the majority to adopt it, that's longer than I think you want to wait > for some kind of answer. ... true, but if we *never* do anything, we'll never have numbers ... even if there is a 12 month or more adoption curve, that adoption period has to start *somewhere* ... As far as ppl amenable to running it ... if the purpose was properly explained, with periodic reminders on the lists as to what the "Stats Project" was all about, and as long as the information being sent out is fully explain (ie. make sure ppl realize that nothing of a sensitive nature is being sent out), I think adoption would be alot easier ... ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664