From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Apr 14 00:09:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA10887 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 00:09:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from out4.ibm.net (out4.ibm.net [165.87.194.239]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA10876 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 07:09:19 GMT (envelope-from dwilde1@ibm.net) Received: from ibm.net (slip-32-100-79-253.ca.us.ibm.net [32.100.79.253]) by out4.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA57456; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 07:09:06 GMT Message-ID: <35330B7C.8891DE84@ibm.net> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 00:08:44 -0700 From: Don Wilde Reply-To: dwilde1@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Mayo CC: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Open Source Products References: <199804131719.LAA21122@narnia.plutotech.com> <35326353.4E30451B@xylan.com> <19980413201541.65522@snark.thyrsus.com> <3532AD36.2968F8B6@xylan.com> <19980413215647.37918@snark.thyrsus.com> <19980414065232.07017@doriath.org> <19980414015920.30944@snark.thyrsus.com> <19980414023527.63292@vmunix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > My spin: technical/demanding users will always exist, and they will > always prefer the most technically advanced OS. This is FreeBSD's community > now to a large extent, and I don't see that ever changing. Whether or > not we can extend it to be more of a mainstream success like Linux is > becoming is the question. I think we can, but even if we don't, I still > don't consider that "death" and will continue to be happy on my BSD system. > :-) Agreed. How can anything 'die' with source code available? My only doubt is a shadow caused by these new hardware standards like I2O which are closely held in-group things, not for public discussion. USB we can do, Firewire we can do, but I2O we're not allowed, unless somebody reverses it or buys a commercial license and packages a binary for us. Since that's a server-centric development, we should be scared into doing something now, although I'm not anywhere close to being a kernel hacker yet to be able to do it myself. The universal clone PC market is drying up, and unless we create enough of a market for them to continue to make these generic PCI+ISA boards we like, we are dead. WinHEC was Microsoft's bid for closed hardware once again, and everybody was listening. Unless we all (Linux included) grow _fast_, we are in trouble. It will take a while, but sooner or later the chipsets will disappear. Intel's already virtually blasted the marketplace, and they're on a forced march forward. I realize I'm early at singing these blues, but it's to give a little fiery coal down the shorts of everybody -- including myself -- that I write. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message