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FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="uBTf0mGsknPtfMBtGESXp9wyTfYc2bbDM" X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2019 09:34:16 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --uBTf0mGsknPtfMBtGESXp9wyTfYc2bbDM Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="6PM0AH7EFyxW79h4owxXyrbiVcLC2z28Z"; protected-headers="v1" From: Marek Zarychta To: Stefan Bethke Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <056a2bc4-260c-5f65-a8a1-a3b849e64502@plan-b.pwste.edu.pl> Subject: Re: FreeBSD 12 and Nocona References: In-Reply-To: --6PM0AH7EFyxW79h4owxXyrbiVcLC2z28Z Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable W dniu 03.01.2019 o=C2=A014:13, Stefan Bethke pisze: >> I have under supervision a few old servers running 11.2-STABLE. The >> hardware is almost for retirement, but still in working condition. It'= s >> all old Nocona NetBurst microarchitecture. I have recently tried do >> upgrade OS two of them to 12.0-STABLE, but failed. When I use old >> bootloader the boot freezes on blue highlighted "Booting" stage, when = I >> tried to use 12 loader, it freezes earlier, on loading kernel modules.= >> The kernel was compiled from fresh sources for CPUTYPE?=3Dnocona. >> 11.2-STABLE is fine with this optimization and the same kernel boots >> fine on newer hardware. >> >> It is fair, that 11 EOL is expected September 30, 2021 and these serve= rs >> will likely be retired before this date, but some questions arise: >> >> Is such old hardware still supported? Is it possible (how to) debug th= e >> booting process? >=20 > The first step is to try with known-good bits: can you boot these machi= nes off the 12.0 ISO or memstick images? Can you load your kernel and mod= ules with the loader from the ISO/memstick? Does GENERIC built without an= y flags work? >=20 > If any of these don=E2=80=99t work, try to be as specific as possible w= hen reporting problems. For example, the exact make of mainboard (kenv ou= tput) and the BIOS version, and any relevant BIOS settings are likely imp= ortant for problems regarding the loader. If the kernel and modules load,= you can try a verbose boot to see better how far the kernel gets. >=20 > I=E2=80=99d be really surprised if the CPUs themselves would cause trou= ble. The first step is done. The affected hardware doesn't boot from official 12.0-RELEASE CD either. Loader also freezes at the stage of loading kernel modules. These servers are old Maxdata Platinum 500 and 3200. Some time ago I have submitted dmesgs to NYC BUG dmesg repository[1][2]. Both configurations are fine with 11-STABLE, so I am not going to upgrade them and I am replying only FYI. [1] https://dmesgd.nycbug.org/index.cgi?do=3Dview&id=3D3790 [2] https://dmesgd.nycbug.org/index.cgi?do=3Dview&id=3D4111 Regards, --=20 Marek Zarychta --6PM0AH7EFyxW79h4owxXyrbiVcLC2z28Z-- --uBTf0mGsknPtfMBtGESXp9wyTfYc2bbDM Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEMOqvKm6wKvS1/ZeCdZ/s//1SjSwFAlw0bo0ACgkQdZ/s//1S jSyhYQf/ag9kV9c/cCq650toCzbkRz3OGFcEOj7nce2Pask/xnudz5YVV5zgbH84 +D6+kx2Ue5Vr+EmYQus4TYZVT8PxSkogBV04XKKj7LUwnOinviuzYtTvp1MM+oKj BnvCg3W4+GQkVyxWn3R4wvtvLcxdQIAvbWHcWIoDWBmlTmsvAdkhM1otzdEwvpd3 nWRk1zjI2+J/XRrSArQxUIA+MlHPFhEWar9v+6afLq/2cKhlKcuIaPDAceo15EvO JdM2UZ119JSQ6li2YQagPRQk1QHx8oo7Vw/B9ra4b5TD4zaRahnj3AkqH2Nivhsg Un35QeEC8et/z0umg0JexQyYlDpBJw== =5Z1e -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --uBTf0mGsknPtfMBtGESXp9wyTfYc2bbDM--