From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jun 18 3:57:16 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de (krusty.dt.E-Technik.Uni-Dortmund.DE [129.217.163.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C13C37B408 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 03:57:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from merlin.emma.line.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC8BCA3831 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 12:57:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: by merlin.emma.line.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id 1D73B2D55; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 12:57:06 +0200 (CEST) To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ATA Atapi 4.6 Release References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020617112839.030a9ff8@popmail.ct.lodgenet.com> <20020617204825.GC25616@leviathan.inethouston.net> In-Reply-To: <20020617204825.GC25616@leviathan.inethouston.net> ("David W. Chapman Jr."'s message of "Mon, 17 Jun 2002 15:48:25 -0500") From: Matthias Andree Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 12:57:06 +0200 Message-ID: Lines: 29 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090007 (Oort Gnus v0.07) Emacs/21.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "David W. Chapman Jr." writes: > On Mon, Jun 17, 2002 at 11:38:01AM -0500, John Prince wrote: >> I have to say, I am a bit disappointed in the 4.6 release, as well as the >> way problems have been identified, and swept under the carpet.. > > Why didn't you express these concerns for the past few months? There have been several reports of ATA and ATAPI brokenness after the MFC. After I brought the TCQ brokenness up again at 4.6-RC time, S=F8ren fixed the boot panic I experienced, and in late May he wrote he could reproduce the other known TCQ-timeout-and-fall-back-to-PIO problem, but I've never seen anything since. But what is bringing up a known problem again of help? Do you want people to scream their problem list every week? The PRs are there, and are open, so you cannot say these concerns had not been expressed. They have indeed. And I agree with those who say that 4.6 should NOT have been released with ATA(PI) in /this/ shape. I have been told (on this list) by the RE team that the MFC cannot be backed out and that 5.0DP2 is close, and I understand they want to keep the schedule as good as possible, but all these objections do not help the regression or displeasing users. And the latter is a Bad Thing=AE. --=20 Matthias Andree To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message