From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 23 21:46:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 771E016A400 for ; Wed, 23 May 2007 21:46:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10A6613C44C for ; Wed, 23 May 2007 21:46:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l4NLkfUu080158; Wed, 23 May 2007 23:46:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 35E94B826; Wed, 23 May 2007 23:46:41 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 23:46:41 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: JoaoBR Message-ID: <20070523214641.GG3705@slackbox.xs4all.nl> Mail-Followup-To: JoaoBR , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Iulian M , Kris Kennaway References: <200705211823.29943.ABabiy@shaw.ca> <200705231729.56157.joao@matik.com.br> <20070523205134.GC3705@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <200705231818.13588.joao@matik.com.br> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Cp3Cp8fzgozWLBWL" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200705231818.13588.joao@matik.com.br> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.15 (2007-04-06) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Iulian M , Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: xorg 7.2 start problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 21:46:55 -0000 --Cp3Cp8fzgozWLBWL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, May 23, 2007 at 06:18:12PM -0300, JoaoBR wrote: > On Wednesday 23 May 2007 17:51:34 Roland Smith wrote: > > On Wed, May 23, 2007 at 05:29:54PM -0300, JoaoBR wrote: > > > I also haven't read anything and got terrible caught by this 7.2 xorg > > > thing > > > > Says it all, really. :-) > > >=20 > you're not laughing at me aren't you?=20 A little. Ignoring /usr/{ports|src}/UPDATING usually has predictable result= s. Been there, done that. :-) =20 > > > and kind of lame that portupgrade xorg does not install the modules, > > > > And how is portupgrade to know which specific drivers you need? > > >=20 > good question deserve good answers: how the heck portupgrade did it befor= e? It didn't. All the drivers were in one huge package, the X server. Now they are in seperate ports. But the xorg or xorgs-drivers meta-ports should install all of them. > > There will always be big ports changes that exceed the capabilities of > > the automated ports management tools and need manual intervention. =20 > absolutely, but only partial correct because the tools are perfectly capa= ble,=20 > the thing is that the process is not really thought through enough when= =20 > publishing it That's funny. :-) If you can't be bothered to read UPDATING, you are not the person to tell the maintainers that they haven't "thought it through". Tools like portupgrade and portmaster and even the ports system are great but they have their limitations. I think they are kept relatively simple for a reason. It's much better to have a simple (maintainable) tool that does 95% of the jobs well than to build an extremely complicated ACME contraption that can cover all the corner cases and oddball situations. It's just not worth the effort. Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --Cp3Cp8fzgozWLBWL Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFGVLZBEnfvsMMhpyURAhrvAKCrM4Xh8X+5iTFl4uPXUENTQ0iwngCeLNWr sGtnjTzenNKua/CqnWwGnRk= =w3uD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Cp3Cp8fzgozWLBWL--