From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 17 20:29:04 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCC7C16A418 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:29:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chuckr@chuckr.org) Received: from mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3F1613C46B for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:29:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chuckr@chuckr.org) Received: (qmail 25988 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2007 20:29:03 -0000 Received: from april.chuckr.org (chuckr@[66.92.151.30]) (envelope-sender ) by mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 17 Dec 2007 20:29:02 -0000 Message-ID: <4766DB82.3040804@chuckr.org> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:26:42 -0500 From: Chuck Robey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071107 SeaMonkey/1.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Micha=EBl_Gr=FCnewald?= References: <20071214010542.GA19553@demeter.hydra> <200712132012.32729.mike.jeays@rogers.com> <20071214011614.GA18559@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <4762D814.6000704@chuckr.org> <86r6hlq1ba.fsf@Llea.celt.neu> In-Reply-To: <86r6hlq1ba.fsf@Llea.celt.neu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Jerry McAllister , Mike Jeays , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Apparently, csh programming is considered harmful. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:29:04 -0000 Michaël Grünewald wrote: > Chuck Robey writes: > >> As long as folks don't stop me from running whatever I want, I don't >> care if you use bash, but it really irks me, that most Linux systems >> are broken in that respect: Most of them break badly in random ways, >> if you don't run bash as your shell. > > A friend of mine who worked with debian was once in mood to disinstall > BASH. Quite a trip to hell! (The story is 8 years old now.) From my own experiences merely trying to runit as a user shell, and not de-installing bash, I believe you ... I finally had to give it up as a bad job, and I'm known as a somewhat stubborn person, so that should tell you the level of problems I faced. Linux works only if you make their choices, just like their license.