From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 17 18:40:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08544572; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 18:40:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from bigwig.baldwin.cx (bigknife-pt.tunnel.tserv9.chi1.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f10:75::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 241ED945; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 18:40:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pakbsde14.localnet (unknown [38.105.238.108]) by bigwig.baldwin.cx (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7E4B1B95B; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 13:40:54 -0500 (EST) From: John Baldwin To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Devin Teske Subject: Re: disadvantages of running 8.3 kernel on freebsd 8.2 system Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 11:03:40 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (FreeBSD/8.2-CBSD-20110714-p22; KDE/4.5.5; amd64; ; ) References: <9A20C472-593A-4AAB-A0C0-FE6375011DAD@fisglobal.com> In-Reply-To: <9A20C472-593A-4AAB-A0C0-FE6375011DAD@fisglobal.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <201301171103.41013.jhb@freebsd.org> X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (bigwig.baldwin.cx); Thu, 17 Jan 2013 13:40:54 -0500 (EST) Cc: Ali Okan =?windows-1252?q?Y=DCKSEL?= X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 18:40:56 -0000 On Thursday, January 17, 2013 10:57:01 am Devin Teske wrote: > On Jan 17, 2013, at 4:06 AM, Ali Okan Y=DCKSEL wrote: >=20 > > I know for UPDATING, it s not correct way, but i tried and 8.2 system=20 works > > with 8.3 kernel (copied 8.3 /boot/kernel directory to freebsd 8.2 > > /boot/kernel) and it s not good solution but i want to know; > >=20 > >=20 > > - What are specific disadvantages that i can see clearly, running 8.3 > > kernel on freebsd 8.2? >=20 > A couple user land tools might barf on you (listed below). >=20 > Other than that, it's generally considered very safe. >=20 > The quintessential test-case is running an 8.2 jail under an 8.3 host. >=20 > We do this all the time with various releases (again, most-problematic=20 utilities listed below). >=20 >=20 >=20 > > - What are user land tools those not match with 8.3 kernel on freebsd > > 8.2 system=85? > >=20 >=20 > top and ps might complain about procsize mismatch. >=20 > netstat has been known to have problems if the gap is too wide. These generally do not have problems in recent release branches. top and p= s=20 haven't complained about procsize since the 4.x days as 5.0 introduced a ne= w=20 kinfo_proc structure that the kernel exports and it hasn't changed in size= =20 since 5.0. The mfiutil issue dhw@ mentioned is real and is due to an mfi(4) driver=20 change. I merged a fix for the panics to 8-stable, but it just makes old mfiutil binaries not work at all. =2D-=20 John Baldwin