From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 18 08:17:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EC3D0C74; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 08:17:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wi0-x233.google.com (mail-wi0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::233]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3BC4C13A6; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 08:17:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f179.google.com with SMTP id z2so231821wiv.0 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 00:17:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=XEc8KsA+dBlbWmS/LeknnJuvUZ1Rk19CY/BJWOyDthk=; b=km3WTUEuC9JPZmcwFlau6msSCabG2XzGum5gq83Y53eerOxwx9tWrM27VLVjIhhj65 RTwS1ksa1CSfTs/tKHkoLL9ZICWveIgKgM5wjvzDtcsJm4KVLqYKpaAT2H00CE2S1t4/ UoG8bKcoiQKwvbrjIVjwBa1c50hFhbRhn0JZ/Uq9hzIpFLw4gP/JHo028bvIC9KxZaqa 2cBqo412P7rCSXYsRDAd+D+Rm9SYeTNjti0n9kQVWjmY8XOVqCqw6obvnRZH/istbGvC LVrBJmhGi+1leU6cN5A7DRhEigTW1F+95203atEDZIfSS24ARwi6shDrMdchJ15As7MC yNIA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.237.99 with SMTP id vb3mr23355097wjc.28.1387354640504; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 00:17:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.226.12 with HTTP; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 00:17:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20131218064459.GA5354@tuxaco.net> References: <52B0D149.5020308@marino.st> <20131218064459.GA5354@tuxaco.net> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 10:17:20 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: If ports@ list continues to be used as substitute for GNATS, I'm unsubscribing From: Markiyan Kushnir To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Philippe_Aud=E9oud?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "ports@FreeBSD.org" , marino@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 08:17:23 -0000 It sounds like a need for a more grained structure of the ports-related communication, just because the community is growing. Very often there is a need to discuss one's issue in a list prior to filing a PR. And yes, *discuss*, I agree with John, people should show they want to discuss their failed builds, whatever. I think automated failure reports (ports-qat) would easily be assigned to a separate list. I would suggest at least the following divisions: ports-questions@ would be for things like howtos, problems with managing ports, upgrading, versioning, etc. ports-devel@ for all sorts of ports build/install issues (port maintainers would be the primary responders), and ports-auto@ for automated repots like QAT. And the current ports@ would be aliased to ports-questions@. -- Markiyan. 2013/12/18 Philippe Aud=E9oud : > On mar, 17 d=E9c 2013, John Marino wrote: > >> Over the months I've seen several ports users copy a failure log and >> mail it to ports@, usually without even saying "hello". I've tried to >> discourage that behavior but other members of this mail list encourage >> this method of bypassing writing PRs. One user even proudly boasted >> that sending email to ports@ is faster than writing a PR so of course he >> was going to do that instead. >> >> If this kind of post is acceptable to the rest of the people here, and >> I'm alone in not only finding it very rude, but also making the volume >> of ports@ too high, then please tell me that the problem is with me. >> >> If nothing is going to change, I am going to unsubscribe from ports@ >> list. The gcc developers on gcc@gcc.gnu.org always tell a poster when a >> post in appropriate for that list and as a result and as a result the >> posters usually only make a mistake once. I'd like to see something >> closer to that, but if the list isn't going to be policed then it's too >> noisy for me. >> >> John > > Hello, > > They don't start their mail wihtout saying "hello"... like you. People > are not polite and we won't change it. > > I agree with you that users don't have to use ports@ instead of GNATS > but the fact is that we are slow on GNATS: we still have untouched PR > since beginning 2013 (because i closed 2006, 2011 and 2012). > If we want to change that we have to explain how to use PR (or simply rem= ind > it to users) and to be reactive on GNATS. In my opinon; guilty people > are not users but us. Users find a quicker way and they use it. > > Regards, > > -- > Philippe Aud=E9oud > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"