From owner-freebsd-gnome@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 17 04:36:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-gnome@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97A71106566C; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 04:36:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@komquats.com) Received: from idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca [24.71.223.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 538798FC0C; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 04:36:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pd2ml3so-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.141.148]) by pd2mo1so-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 16 Apr 2012 22:36:36 -0600 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.1 cv=W+ZrOcpwHTeQLvZQ9vbIxXRdvbK5p6H2/T6SuQCN924= c=1 sm=1 a=QrugwKR0C_UA:10 a=wAGQQ9Az6v0A:10 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=ICAaq7hcmGcA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=IbtKDeXwb2+SRU442/pi3A==:17 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=8VpDeP3kAAAA:8 a=BWvPGDcYAAAA:8 a=jgYSVEYdIPdOrUXdjFoA:9 a=pYlswfgFLQ8PYKlpOnoA:7 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=uar3UI-X7uIA:10 a=SV7veod9ZcQA:10 a=V7tsTZBp22UA:10 a=WqTdpsd_Yjk3zk-U:21 a=uDgZQNv0WMhHAVPE:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Received: from unknown (HELO spqr.komquats.com) ([96.50.7.119]) by pd2ml3so-dmz.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 16 Apr 2012 22:36:36 -0600 Received: from slippy.cwsent.com (slippy [10.1.1.91]) by spqr.komquats.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D54CFD6; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 21:36:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slippy (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slippy.cwsent.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q3H4aZ3v007188; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 21:36:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@komquats.com) Message-Id: <201204170436.q3H4aZ3v007188@slippy.cwsent.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.7.2 01/07/2005 with nmh-1.3 From: Cy Schubert X-os: FreeBSD X-Sender: cy@cwsent.com X-URL: http://www.komquats.com/ To: Jeremy Messenger In-Reply-To: Message from Jeremy Messenger of "Mon, 16 Apr 2012 20:21:52 CDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 21:36:35 -0700 Cc: Joe Marcus Clarke , freebsd-gnome@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Gnome2 Forks X-BeenThere: freebsd-gnome@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Cy Schubert List-Id: GNOME for FreeBSD -- porting and maintaining List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 04:36:37 -0000 In message , Jeremy Messenger writes: > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 5:14 PM, Joe Marcus Clarke wrote > : > > On 4/16/12 5:15 PM, Cy Schubert wrote: > >> Hi all, > >> > >> Given the state of Gnome3 and the general dislike for the new shell = and > >> given that gnome-panel has been deprecated by our upline, would we b= e open > >> to importing one of the Gnome2 forks, like Mate or Cinnamon, into ou= r tree > ? >=20 > I would like to change our GNOME 2 to MATE, so that way we can put > GNOME 3 into ports tree quicker. Because there is nothing conflict to > GNOME 3. Also much less complicate to not add too many CONFLICTS all > over. Other day ago, it drove me crazy when I can't install some of > foo because I have GNOME 3 installed. Maybe we could do something like kde4? Put it into a subtree of =24LOCALB= ASE?=20 We never know, maybe MATE will have more staying power. Being that Cinnam= on=20 is a MINT project, should MINT no longer be in vogue any more one has to = wonder whether Cinnamon can stand the test of time. I believe MATE is its= =20 own project so even though Cinnamon has more interest at the moment MATE = may have more potential. It's really hard to tell right now. >=20 > But.... There is a problem. Is MATE reliable? I don't know if it's > going to be last forever while GNOME 2 will be in GNOME ftp for very > long time. That's what I thought. >=20 > >>>From what I've read on Phoronix today, Mate has renamed a number of = files > >> allowing it to coexist with Gnome3. However Cinnamon builds upon Gno= me3 > >> offering a Gnome2 interface. The article goes on to say that Cinnamo= n has=20 > a > >> lot more momentum than Mate. (http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page= =3Dnews_i > te > >> m&px=3DMTA4ODI). > >> > >> Should we choose an option, my choice would be the most sustainable = one > >> (Cinnamon), count me in as a volunteer. Talking about sustainability= , one > >> never knows which Open Source projects will establish themselves ove= r the > >> long haul. It may even be a good idea to watch both and decide where= to > >> invest our effort when the choice becomes more clear. > >> > >> Thoughts anyone? > >> > >> > > > > I think that's the idea. =A0I believe Mezz has been working on Cinnam= on, > > and has had some good success. >=20 > http://people.freebsd.org/=7Emezz/freebsd-cinnamon.png :-) >=20 > Cinnamon has awful a lot of hardcore paths and I had to patch it a > lot. It's not exactly stable. When I visit to some specific website > and it will causing Cinnamon crash for some odd reason. Some of > applets are missing that I haven't check on it yet. Probably yet > another path patch or something else. Yeah..... >=20 > This weekend, I will try to clean up quick and put two ports in MC for > anyone can play with Cinnamon. I'll try to pick them up and dump them onto my laptop. ZFS makes it easy = to=20 switch =24LOCALBASE through a simple reboot. >=20 > BTW: You will need nvidia-driver for it both gnome-shell and Cinnamon. > Without it, you will be in the fallback mode instead of > gnome-shell/Cinnamon. My server system next to the furnace downstairs has a nvidia card while m= y=20 testbed has a VIA video controller on the motherboard. My old Acer laptop= =20 which I use for day-to-day work and the only machine I run X on (I may VN= C=20 to the others though) has an I915 mobile chipset. The other bits, includi= ng=20 the panel would still work on it though. I'll try to fetch a copy from MC this weekend. If I have any trouble I'll= =20 give you a shout. --=20 Cheers, Cy Schubert FreeBSD UNIX: Web: http://www.FreeBSD.org The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few.