From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Oct 1 1: 6:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peak.mountin.net (peak.mountin.net [207.227.119.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0B4F14C1C for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 01:06:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by peak.mountin.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA29552; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 03:06:15 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: from dial-124.tnt1.rac.cyberlynk.net(209.224.182.124) by peak.mountin.net via smap (V1.3) id sma029550; Fri Oct 1 03:06:01 1999 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19991001030128.021cf1b0@207.227.119.2> X-Sender: jeff-ml@207.227.119.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 03:01:28 -0500 To: chad@DCFinc.com From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: List maintanence question. Cc: hook@aktrad.ru, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199910010354.UAA29555@freeway.dcfinc.com> References: <3.0.3.32.19990930122234.021746a0@207.227.119.2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 08:54 PM 9/30/99 -0700, Chad R. Larson wrote: >Well, cut the guy some slack. In some worlds, users don't control >their desktop. They are required to use the "officially sanctioned" >tools, and things like Microsoft SMS are used to inforce the rule. >Installation of unapproved software is grounds for termination. Wasn't being harsh with him, only his MUA and Bill. ;) If a shop will not either let me bring in an old system or run my personal software... >So, such a person would be required to build a machine at home, and >get an account with an ISP in order to do e-mail in the FreeBSD-list >approved manner. Just might not be an option. Certainly. What I've done in the past isn't even to install the software. Eudora resides on my version of briefcase, which is a hard drive in a carrier and absolves them of licensing problems. Not fond of running 2 mail agents, but it works. Should that not even be allowed then they either need to buy some more software or find someone else, since I will not be able to do my job. Course Gene may not be in that position, so I really do feel for him then, but there are places that offer free mail. Another fact of the matter is that personal mail should *not* come into a business account. Also when it does so it allows them to freely look at your mail, since it becomes their property under the Electronic Privacy Act. Call me an SOB (or spoiled) when comes to some things, but if I had problems with this much, then doing my job isn't going to exactly be a pleasure. Dread the day if/when I have to deal with a firewall that isn't in my control. And yes, I do my best to accomodate those with similiar requests. With that I'll step off my soapbox and suggest that Gene either work something out or deal with the listmail asis or from home if possible presuming that this is a "work related" problem. >On the other hand, I can't see a reason for the list to change its >methods to accomodate such poor, lost souls either. Very agreed. Oh, and kudos to jmb and others that have worked to reduce the junk on the lists. Jon may recall my bitching about being able to list subscribers many moons back. Rather put off with another list manager that isn't even listening to subscriber complaints, so am just a bit hot at the moment. Back to the usual -stable discussion... Jeff Mountin - jeff@mountin.net Systems/Network Administrator FreeBSD - the power to serve '86 Yamaha MaxiumX (not FBSD powered) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message