From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Fri Mar 26 20:18:46 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30C605AAF81 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 20:18:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rde@tavi.co.uk) Received: from kipling.tavi.co.uk (kipling.tavi.co.uk [81.187.145.130]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F6YFx1Hgqz3R4F for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 20:18:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rde@tavi.co.uk) Received: from kipling.tavi.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kipling.tavi.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E99C139D5; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 20:18:44 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=tavi.co.uk; h=date:from:to :cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=selector1; bh=JyhV8cU obWoFLkUaQ4ZiDXHruD4=; b=kwkwcFAk3jvNcuSR63nNsBXfBORpuSt5ufpevJR 1a2maAOoY2K/H8MtkJ8H2So1EVh4c1wwHdGTVWaSyi8uYJ78BU7BoedapGZYQcEd 6omt/XbYWxXnBc3JNdKZFzzryrI3X9z+outN5iiUpoPKv+WrAs7TSpl41ozRS8TW 6un4= Received: from raksha.tavi.co.uk (raksha.tavi.co.uk [81.187.145.139]) (Authenticated sender: rde@tavi.co.uk) by kipling.tavi.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 2C591139CE; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 20:18:44 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 20:18:43 +0000 From: Bob Eager To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Cc: Greg Rivers Subject: Re: Python 2.7 removal outline Message-ID: <20210326201843.14fdca93@raksha.tavi.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <12069577.xkLNZX5ndW@no.place.like.home> References: <20210324130347.GA29020@freefall.freebsd.org> <8552dddf3bc33e42ae124cd4ea53fb4f@bsdforge.com> <14A27037-4174-4708-9AE3-16D599076639@gushi.org> <12069577.xkLNZX5ndW@no.place.like.home> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.4 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.1) Face: 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==== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F6YFx1Hgqz3R4F X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=tavi.co.uk header.s=selector1 header.b=kwkwcFAk; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=tavi.co.uk; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of rde@tavi.co.uk designates 81.187.145.130 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=rde@tavi.co.uk X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.90 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[tavi.co.uk:s=selector1]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a:kipling.tavi.co.uk:c]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[freebsd-ports]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[81.187.145.130:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[tavi.co.uk:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[tavi.co.uk,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[81.187.145.130:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20712, ipnet:81.187.0.0/16, country:GB]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ports] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 20:18:46 -0000 On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 14:55:15 -0500 Greg Rivers via freebsd-ports wrote: > On Friday, 26 March 2021 14:19:20 CDT Dan Mahoney (Ports) wrote: > > More thoughts on mailman, specifically: > >=20 > > So, I just went to find an old FB post I made about mailman 2.x: > >=20 > > =3D=3D=3D > > From the "Load Bearing B****it" department: > > Pretty much the entire world is stuck using an EOL'd mailing list > > manager (mailman 2.x), which depends on an EOL'd python (2.7). This > > includes: > > * All the gnu mailing lists > > * All of the linux mailing lists at listman.redhat > > * all the FreeBSD mailing lists > > * all the sourceforge mailing lists > > * all the IETF mailing lists > > * all of lists.isc.org > > * NANOG > > =3D=3D=3D > >=20 > > That?s an AWFUL LOT of sysadmins, network admins, and coders who > > looked long and hard at Mailman 3 and decided ?that?s not ready > > yet?. > >=20 > > I think, if *nothing else*, tauthon needs to be stapled in for > > mailman, even if it lives under /usr/local/mailman/bin or something > > (and bakes in the couple of dependencies). > >=20 > > I know about the archive incompatibility. There *might* be a GSOC > > project to fix it. Maybe. Other changes can happen with greater > > use, but clearly there?s a first-mover disadvantage here.=20 > I concur. The thought of losing Mailman 2.x fills me with dread. >=20 Me too. Short term, I shall have it in a non-updated jail.