From owner-freebsd-security Fri Apr 19 11:45:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org Received: from 12-234-22-238.client.attbi.com (12-234-90-219.client.attbi.com [12.234.90.219]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15DF037B41A for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:45:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Master.gorean.org (master.gorean.org [10.0.0.2]) by 12-234-22-238.client.attbi.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g3JIjRHt045195; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:45:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@FreeBSD.org) Received: from Master.gorean.org (zoot [127.0.0.1]) by Master.gorean.org (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g3JIjTLr011290; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:45:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by Master.gorean.org (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) with ESMTP id g3JIjSZP011287; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:45:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: Master.gorean.org: doug owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:45:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Barton X-X-Sender: doug@master.gorean.org To: "Karsten W. Rohrbach" Cc: security@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Security Advisory FreeBSD-SA-02:21.tcpip In-Reply-To: <20020419170909.F78386@mail.webmonster.de> Message-ID: <20020419114336.E11273-100000@master.gorean.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, Karsten W. Rohrbach wrote: > Doug Barton(DougB@FreeBSD.org)@2002.04.18 18:07:54 +0000: > > The typical FreeBSD answer is, "Since YOU think it's a problem, > > why don't YOU work to solve it?" However, since to my knowledge your > > record of never actually contributing a line of code to the project > > remains unblemished, I know you don't like that answer very much. > > doug, the "lines of code" argument does not apply to people supplying > ideas, or experience from operations. take me for example, i am not much > of a c coder, so i see it as a contribution to the world _not_ to put > my sources out, them being pretty crappy and likely to screw up things > badly. OTOH, i answer questions on the mailing lists and contribute my > ideas to the community, all originating from my work expeieence with > freebsd and other systems, you get the point. Oh, I agree completely. The problem is, at the end of the day, this is a volunteer organization. If no one volunteers to make your idea a reality, you're pretty well stuck in do it yourself mode.... unless your idea of fun is to sit around and wait for the topic to come up and make a nuisance of yourself over and over again. -- "We have known freedom's price. We have shown freedom's power. And in this great conflict, ... we will see freedom's victory." - George W. Bush, President of the United States State of the Union, January 28, 2002 Do YOU Yahoo!? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message