From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 29 14:01:22 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E071E1569A35 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2019 14:01:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 380BF92E1B for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2019 14:01:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1553868081; x=1556460081; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=PIB8K0ZU3QvKglZwlu/XOsy6P5YsfgFDyNrpNuVz4QQ=; b=GSFevsOnKM8AI/lIbKBtSFi6NfbaQzTqbdNcQISk00Fe1gURBEh929+anDUBXCWkLzsKR4HdTQ42tRis+B6Sej1henCNytyJoXbpcrL1SUG5O8z3vtEROPxpoAihiXTGaQFnRTGQKFCFT/OFnSTsFPGruNT9ztVKtBgLzBabRUQ= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xYTcwMDAwMDE1MjQxMTAuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r6.us-west-2a.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r6.us-west-2a.aws.in.socketlabs.com [52.40.216.92]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Fri, 29 Mar 2019 10:01:14 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r6.us-west-2a.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Fri, 29 Mar 2019 10:01:12 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.91 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1h9s4E-00057d-RR; Fri, 29 Mar 2019 14:01:10 +0000 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 14:01:10 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Polytropon Subject: Re: Why is Sendmail still around? Message-Id: <20190329140110.3c7102ef876f3a1e58ea467b@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20190329121212.1f12fed7.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <4101a1092141b58e05ef7552278b15ff@kathe.in> <20190329121212.1f12fed7.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 380BF92E1B X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=GSFevsOn; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.00 / 15.00]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mxbh.socketlabs.com]; FORGED_SENDER(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.988,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.21)[0.205,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.990,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; FORGED_SENDER_VERP_SRS(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[198.176.0.142.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.15.0]; ENVFROM_VERP(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.22)[ip: (-0.57), ipnet: 142.0.176.0/22(-0.27), asn: 7381(-0.20), country: US(-0.07)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 14:01:22 -0000 On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 12:12:12 +0100 Polytropon wrote: > If you know an easy way to do the same as above, but with SMTP, The mail relay uses SMTP, if you need to pass authentication details then you need to use the authinfo file AIUI, I've never tried it with sendmail I use exim to relay outgoing mail from clients to an smtp relay - my ISP provides one but it fails to deliver to some places. > let me know. Since my provider stopped offering the mail relay, > I had to put the SMTP details into my GUI MUA's configuration Yeuch. > and now have to wait for the annoying progress bar instead of > the previously possible "click and forget", and I currently > do not have my own _real_ mail server... ;-) I wouldn't attempt to run an outgoing mail server doing direct MX lookup and delivery these days they anti-spam measures are a nightmare. OTOH reliable delivery relays are not that common either. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith