From owner-freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Tue May 22 12:23:10 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDD93EF439D for ; Tue, 22 May 2018 12:23:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johalun0@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x235.google.com (mail-wm0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F33E72082 for ; Tue, 22 May 2018 12:23:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johalun0@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x235.google.com with SMTP id n10-v6so32890655wmc.1 for ; Tue, 22 May 2018 05:23:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=G/l+vIdesv/B7FOjV8WDP1nXWKT+h3wThn+CHuDsxXw=; b=JGAOM+m2gAUkAsFxJ/V3emtRGgGcJ1aDj/ulme2Ekar6LCeEV1+jFMLtNHBURCtZE6 esj9hBguyniwzLPlRFLgWx3E494AZHsTvAJxlbxGhwHSLIfazFIodyFYn2yZ1VuVOa2a VHG1Wjnlkad/vMX8cS3WtucX6YU/yLuwAGBTLFvmNOYVr0jziAZDzEEakktAG49Gofe3 R+uKS+5TShsAQGOi7N/O09FTMWKgUwRDZGMfG0wpG5wyLMgJtbCiYyK8CqB30u159saw G4zdGXiey57oC/qujbiVn7zu/H7rRdjW6NJdHtfSanC9KWwzKy3lT/wOX0LtEY1bpq4F E2JA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=G/l+vIdesv/B7FOjV8WDP1nXWKT+h3wThn+CHuDsxXw=; b=JPRBr5XUagvyn9dA8cLlZ/kr42DG7sxT3PjYENzEw4d4ZG/m7IvRacnkBIrS8MGlCS iJ2EBgE5DaIBkIVy3Kux2dcZQw4BQiRl26LMhoxowkTzXAhjavIYqfLtxOdJPN2vvKf6 eyd+xEWHb/+qJqNDMM4k/LJgprF3JBOal9DtopLYh8SyR3hIcdoT1WxNGEyJLVRVX/RJ ZNiDWVKg2AV5VfkdVbFZ+MXuK+dd+1rpDp53s0cuxkmrJl2nTMxWKlzsfzdbFJgiQKpN xgFmdpvfY+RCH8wFFSsLRcpFXw8FdF/J0+/59zYwpDLeBZxpjUScPPFH2YsWYnGHyvZJ /lOw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALKqPwe+AlE3e6de8U1FaZM182nGS1I8HsB1nmBdotnyDPqeBXj6p4XN BFfanJvPEg3yn8yW0Zl8DwUgJqNfMuTH2kNohp2weA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AB8JxZoDjhhYUgOrwjRP9FPjneYEDfphDPyKz0Dmt3wT+NsBS67L11Q64L6gqx0+sRARxGJaBezavGWYbefyZO/4nyM= X-Received: by 2002:a1c:c355:: with SMTP id t82-v6mr1019069wmf.129.1526991788311; Tue, 22 May 2018 05:23:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.167.137 with HTTP; Tue, 22 May 2018 05:22:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <3a5edc5c-3caa-830b-4bd9-53ff52feb8a7@freebsd.org> <98aaa85f-1433-e50d-3892-3c5fbff61b85@capeaugusta.com> From: Johannes Lundberg Date: Tue, 22 May 2018 13:22:27 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [RFC] Deprecation and removal of the drm2 driver To: Ian FREISLICH Cc: x11-list freebsd Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.26 X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 May 2018 12:23:10 -0000 On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 1:19 PM, Ian FREISLICH < ian.freislich@capeaugusta.com> wrote: > Johannes, > > On drm-stable Xorg no longer crashes on the first execution of Firefox, s= o > that's an improvement. > > FWIW (and not to start a bikeshed discussion) stable in the context of > FreeBSD has meant ABI stability, not crash-free. If you're going to rena= me > the ports, I'd suggest "drm" and "drm-devel". > Yes we've been talking about that. drm-next and drm-stable naming is a bit unfortunate. > > Ian > > > On 05/21/2018 03:30 PM, Johannes Lundberg wrote: > > > > On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 8:01 PM, Ian FREISLICH < > ian.freislich@capeaugusta.com> wrote: > >> Niclas >> >> >> On 05/18/2018 01:58 PM, Niclas Zeising wrote: >> >>> [ Cross posted to freebsd-current@ and freebsd-x11@. Please respect >>> reply-to and send all replies to freebsd-x11@. Thanks! ] >>> >>> >>> Hi! >>> I propose that we remove the old drm2 driver (sys/dev/drm2) from >>> FreeBSD. I suggest the driver is marked as deprecated in 11.x and remo= ved >>> from 12.0, as was done for other drivers recently. Some background and >>> rationale: >>> >>> The drm2 driver was the original port of a KMS driver to FreeBSD. It wa= s >>> done by Konstantin Belousov to support Intel graphics cards, and later >>> extended by Jean-S=C3=A9bastien P=C3=A9dron as well as Konstantin to ma= tch what's in >>> Linux 3.8. This included unstable support from Haswell, but nothing ne= wer >>> than that. >>> >>> For quite some time now we have had the graphics/drm-stable-kmod and >>> graphics/drm-next-kmods which provides support for modern AMD and Intel >>> graphics cards. These ports, together with the linuxkpi, or lkpi, has = made >>> it significantly easier to port and update our graphics drivers. Furthe= r, >>> these new drivers cover the same drivers as the old drm2 driver. >>> >>> What does the community think? Is there anyone still using the drm2 >>> driver on 12-CURRENT? If so, what is preventing you from switching to = the >>> port? >>> >> >> I'm running -CURRENT on all my systems. I have a "3rd Gen" HD Graphics >> 4000 that I'm running drm-next on but I'm about to revert to drm2 becaus= e >> of instabilities. Xorg spontaneously crashes, and doesn't on drm2. I al= so >> have a Haswell system running drm2 which I have not tried drm-next becau= se >> SWMBO is particularly intolerant of stuff not working. >> > > If drm-next-kmod is causing issues, please try drm-stable-kmod. (we shoul= d > really rename drm-next to drm-unstable/beta..) > > >> >> I also ran drm-next successfully on a Sunrise Point-LP system with "Inte= l >> UHD Graphics 620" because drm2 didn't support the graphics chip before >> switching to linux to get the trackpad and sound working. >> >> I guess the situation is that your mileage may vary depending on your >> system. I'm OK with installing drm2 from ports, but at this point I'm n= ot >> really OK with loosing drm2 at this stage because of the instability in >> drm-next on my one system. >> >> Ian >> >> -- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-x11@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-x11 >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-x11-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > > -- > Ian Freislich > +1 404 574 0228 > > >