From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed May 13 21:11:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA29986 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 21:11:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail1.realtime.net (mail1.realtime.net [205.238.128.217]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA29969 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 21:11:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jktheowl@bga.com) Received: (qmail 45156 invoked from network); 14 May 1998 04:10:43 -0000 Received: from zoom.realtime.net (HELO zoom.bga.com) (root@205.238.128.40) by mail1.realtime.net with SMTP; 14 May 1998 04:10:43 -0000 Received: from barnowl (apm5-164.realtime.net [205.238.146.164]) by zoom.bga.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA25295; Wed, 13 May 1998 23:10:29 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 23:16:48 -0500 (CDT) From: John Kenagy X-Sender: jktheowl@barnowl Reply-To: John Kenagy To: "Jason C. Wells" cc: Amancio Hasty , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Microsoft Vs. Texas In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 13 May 1998, Jason C. Wells wrote: > On Wed, 13 May 1998, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > >Given that your State's major computer makers have succeeded in influencing the > >due law process, I am going to make it a point NOT to buy DELL or Compaq > >computers. > > CC to dan.morales trimmed in the interest of decorum. > Same trim... > How, on earth, does it possibly help us to send email to a government > official telling him that he is and the government he works in is corrupt? Though acknowleging pressure from the Texas computer industry in my letter, I think Mr. Morales' decision was probably based on the apellate court decision announced in the paper. I think he also understands "advocacy" includes sometimes outrageous and even uninformed statements. For better or worse. > How does this advance FreeBSD? It does not advance FreeBSD or free > software in any way, whatsoever. How does it help us to advertise that > _we_ are not interested in two major PC manufacturers? > This is not advocacy. This is vindictive. It is also a basic tool of comsumer advocacy. > When you CC'd this list in your communication with Dan Morales you > provided a de facto endorsement of your position by the entire FreeBSD > community. I think the victorian term was "balderdash". CC' ing simply states that someone else got a copy. > If you really feel this way then that is your personal interaction with > your government officials. Leave me out of it. > I think that the the term "lazy" has been used (by you?) to describe BSD > advocacy on a couple occasions. If this is what it means to _not_ be lazy, > I want no part of it. Don't bash me for being "lazy" if I refuse to be > vindictive. You are _not_ lazy. (And not calm either ;-) - good!) > Don't mistake calm discussion for ineffective discussion. We need not be > bully-ish to advance FreeBSD. > I think that -advocacy should lay down some ground rules for our behaviour > in the public eye. We should write it down and make everyone abide by the > rules. This should be done in the interest of the image of FreeBSD. > The -core is fortunate in this respect, they have leadership and > organization. -Advocacy should develop the same. We should get all of our > guns pointed in the right direction before we start having friendly > casualties. Government has an irrevokable and powerful influence on commerce. If you don't like something government does, say so to what ever official is the responsible party. I am sorry if my doing so has offended any on this list. You have made, under separate cover, a proposal for a charter and a "network". Do it. I support you in it. John > Thank you, | Try some of this. It will show you where you're at. > Jason Wells | http://www.freebsd.org/ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message