From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Tue May 28 02:23:00 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8EC415B2DAA for ; Tue, 28 May 2019 02:22:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E59091584 for ; Tue, 28 May 2019 02:22:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id C5D8515B2DA5; Tue, 28 May 2019 02:22:58 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A334015B2DA4 for ; Tue, 28 May 2019 02:22:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-qk1-x72e.google.com (mail-qk1-x72e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::72e]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47D5391583 for ; Tue, 28 May 2019 02:22:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-qk1-x72e.google.com with SMTP id c70so6120023qkg.7 for ; Mon, 27 May 2019 19:22:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=x7it6p1LMs6U42kkk7xamc0A8zGOH80wwJtIYu5SZY4=; b=F4WdN76CVH+wYUe8BVH7n0zCwt3oQinmEEqZ56Kva+0msA2vruehQZ2M748iM1EORt glitcUg7mDOxZJSEZ+dif8OzppQtpCFMD4DDAtxL5QQGXSVjxtxTS79uApbzF9H1nQUP +ouEAchwc4OFWDl+qOBvtHgk78xQucRKxQKg+syfeSQWaeiwANX70XJ8HtAdyjU7wlAC tmOHMOZBkRTrI2mzUvlgIUpxGTQxjWSEJewAlTS4nuS18MkSKtqSOjB5AhhYwP0Vs5EM KDVDHSMFuoptUEyuGQXvV6rEgNqmdrYf/HRRJZ/WdQ0OCvNuMBoMabSQw5bvfXvuA0li DPyg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=x7it6p1LMs6U42kkk7xamc0A8zGOH80wwJtIYu5SZY4=; b=kiniyEKfuaYcpZFlQXBacfz9fwThXjd41ROCzEXv8NDKlOyKBwrL9hFVxiIZBliPsw u8kkdnLnaZKW16UC8pFgN+8C6Vf4slcl4/MgkSxUkvb0WFu3SuFfl3JjWXi6ZtUgCezB 1HjuCJZYF+hmrXV9BRwrE1GICVHSmSjrP7DydOZDOCW8LgzrlarfRRGAWOL3wts1lof4 t+nZrnFi+lwVoWvheMOE1yVTU5W51AVZSxnuhBo3VDBmnpicxEmGZxRLXoYvKMWiGUS2 KD29f2duev6MXgDhf35XQv2zN3ksODCxS3+6sOPiwsWNF1HAGuK50Wn7NY0DNvb7Hf67 48tw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUTWtWa5PlNeReUED0byQ3zPfD/cHzpaAtxvLLkT/DaAeJsdqWr xVM67FPsIudEjps+YSYc8SYrF2zlSA/uJxAXJT2jHe3s X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzzG4vLp9o2R13H2uceBCt5/nQ4qDh/S1oTs4eSDhGqsUxDeTksqpazTq1Z/MZmrYeSZGmoaKgQURjl+3wUjvU= X-Received: by 2002:ac8:6105:: with SMTP id a5mr15580627qtm.242.1559010177755; Mon, 27 May 2019 19:22:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20190527194645.f1942efa17cbeb1646181dd7@j.email.ne.jp> In-Reply-To: <20190527194645.f1942efa17cbeb1646181dd7@j.email.ne.jp> From: Warner Losh Date: Mon, 27 May 2019 20:22:46 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Time to retire PC Card (but not CardBus) To: Yoshihiro Ota Cc: "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47D5391583 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.98 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.984,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 May 2019 02:23:00 -0000 16 bit PC Cards have a smooth metal by the connector while 32 bit ones have a coppery bumpy grounding strip by the connector. Warner On Mon, May 27, 2019, 5:47 PM Yoshihiro Ota wrote: > Hi, > > I think I have a couple of PCMCIA cards and/or bus. > How do I check? > > Thanks, > Hiro > > On Thu, 23 May 2019 18:34:46 -0600 > Warner Losh wrote: > > > Greetings, > > > > Now that a number of 16-bit drivers have been retired, I think it's time > to > > retire 16-bit PC Card / PCMCIA cards. The 32-bit CardBus cards are still > > alive and kicking, but the need for 16-bit PC Cards has passed. It's time > > to retire it. > > > > I've floated this idea before, and there was broad support for it. I've > > held off until after FCP 101 deprecation was playing out. We've not > pushed > > that into the tree. This is the logical next step. FreeBSD 12.x will be > the > > last release with 16-bit PC Card support. > > > > My plan is to add deprecation notices to the remaining PC Card drivers, > > merge those back to FreeBSD 11 and 12. Once that's done, I plan on > removing > > the 16-bit support. I have a few minor bug fixes to that which I'll push > in > > before I retire it, and merge those fixes. > > > > My plan is to give about a month for the community to discuss this plan > > before I add the warnings. If there's resistance, we'll go with more > formal > > data collection and deprecation. If there's none, I'll go ahead. > > > > This affects the following drivers: an, cmx, fdc, puc, uart, wi, bt3c, > ata. > > > > Warner > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-arch@freebsd.org mailing list > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-arch > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-arch-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >