From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Wed Dec 20 16:31:08 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1EEAE9353B for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 16:31:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x233.google.com (mail-it0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8807575DD7 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 16:31:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x233.google.com with SMTP id o130so11965616itg.0 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 08:31:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=SOENlLD1apXfMvMWclANYfjDj2Kd4VNFoNiUMtbfaMs=; b=dYMTTQpxPndwAT2TjAjnZJG7sQ5+uSZG4ccUtvEmDcEDynJQJVyPvn1GF9Ud7PkgUn 2HQxc0sq1VJSXyFniBVnjHFrSBBopuxuDVqkg84KKCSc+wLg0U6Lr4akqCFuTbxAN7dQ 8mDfaw42lnT6CMxGrv101v7w10HXNy6TwNhQlooFX1Z5l0KjOvSoDExfhs/zeEd6oO+k 7N8UTftmHZKzWOWFI5XtIyjqzBPckpyGImFBlleoJ+Y7kvfVpOabJSYErwR5IPThRnMs GIF0K5BIoaIR21v0BK+TPAvmUCQqcUjtSLawrzMgMchzkcdWJAURkFAEAwmIfELvJKbb 2IrQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=SOENlLD1apXfMvMWclANYfjDj2Kd4VNFoNiUMtbfaMs=; b=qRmysJD5mW298fi9OS1Ckhgtz5KHZqPXtZuYIA24uwZjuRwiMHLBrJdfwi8tqqeely CD/vX720MHoHfSFZt7ELbqia2SGNuXh61l7Y62jdXzCN8qa5WCACVJqZlqNfpsPcIveh dPue8TLZtmbg6klL0vLGKApD1wfN1AMTq4EVGrFFi4QhDyi34rsSWHCJPsQII2LKcBEO zGTOK4mag3Nsp81oCbp21TF3c0ZXqruAdj+HQ1ehS1JEjjBovCd17BuCKACcNJniPgnL 4MYYmIgfkIxS3wGYYYE23rRjhvnjHJehc+qqMa+yRDZ6QbvHz6cyNs457jLKE9gblxjF 1CWg== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mKhsaoNo88IYaV6GVtfQBLrxJiRJoUtYtuRe7/KI1xbp9eLzaH/ uFD6UgnKJZgo8xz/qPh5MuD+IFUV5k6d38SWBxs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBotsyiXEWgGrs/BqBctqC8k/xFeU8T/Ri3FNGrUZEC6UhEpbItv4mMB/mrwLCsQ3Gk8YP2Q27rhtX3SlL3ey14c= X-Received: by 10.36.221.147 with SMTP id t141mr8648652itf.140.1513787467618; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 08:31:07 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.107.164.203 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 08:31:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <0bc4b9b1d25db922415413bfa84375d7@udns.ultimatedns.net> From: blubee blubeeme Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 00:31:06 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Vote: making wayland=on default To: Johannes Lundberg Cc: Chris H , FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 16:31:08 -0000 On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Johannes Lundberg wrote: > On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 4:08 PM, Chris H wrote: > > On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 09:20:20 +0000 "Johannes Lundberg" < > johalun0@gmail.com> > > said > > > >> Hi > >> > >> I want to suggest that we enable wayland by default. In current state > >> having some parts of wayland in ports is basically useless the > >> end-users themselves re-build gtk30 and mesa-libs with wayland > >> enabled. > >> > >> libwayland-egl.so from mesa-libs and the extra libraries and headers > >> from gtk30 adds like a few KB, a drop in the ocean compared to xorg > >> packages. (might be something more that I missed) > >> > >> Personally I see no reason not to make it default on, even with > >> flavors coming up. For any Desktop user (as well as embedded devices > >> like IVI-systems and whatnot), Wayland is the future. There's no > >> escaping that. > >> > >> Wayland has been quite usable on FreeBSD for over a year now but > >> access to it is limited due to the extra efforts required to use it. > >> > >> If we are to compare with the other guys, several Linux distros are > >> already switching to wayland-based compositors as default window > >> server. > >> > >> What do you think? > > > > IMHO it's (still) too early. Too much other X(org) related work > > still being completed. In fact, I just built a new dev box to > > track 12 (CURRENT), and this was the first time I was not required > > to pre generate a config file for Xorg. I was only required to > > inform /usr/local/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/nvidia-driver.conf that > > the driver was "nvidia", not "nv". Everything work(s|ed) famously. > > A real treat. I'm also a bit concerned about the progress (or lack > > there of) on network transparency. > > I (personally) could conceive it as a KERNEL OPTION, but would not > > want to see it in the Default kernel. > > > > Well, those are *my* thoughts. Because you asked. :-) > > > > --Chris > > > > Thanks for your feedback! > > Just to clarify, we're not talking about changing any defaults that > would impact or change users' choice of desktop. We only want to > enable Wayland compositors as an alternative to X (leaving X as is). > > This does not break or modify anything existing. It does not force you > to do anything differently. It simply adds a couple of libraries that > you won't use unless you run Wayland stuff (if you install qt5/gtk30 > and mesa-libs). > > The reference to Linux making it default might have been unclear. > Since FreeBSD doesn't have a default desktop, it's hard to change. It > is and will continue to be up to the end user what they choose to use, > we only add more options :) > > >> > >> > >> /Johannes > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > I'd +1 to this