From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 8 22:16:21 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B07F71065676 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2010 22:16:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 205528FC23 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2010 22:16:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from park.js.berklix.net (p549A69E7.dip.t-dialin.net [84.154.105.231]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id o18MGEiS085669; Mon, 8 Feb 2010 22:16:15 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by park.js.berklix.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o18MG6va006455; Mon, 8 Feb 2010 23:16:06 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o18MFtQN009973; Mon, 8 Feb 2010 23:16:05 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201002082216.o18MFtQN009973@fire.js.berklix.net> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, mail25@bzerk.org From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://www.berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://www.berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Mon, 08 Feb 2010 13:20:33 +0100." <201002081220.o18CKXfL035625@lurza.secnetix.de> Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 23:15:55 +0100 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: Subject: Re: our little daemon abused as symbol of the evil X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 22:16:21 -0000 Oliver Fromme wrote: > Ruben de Groot wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 05, 2010 at 08:05:10PM +0100, Julian H. Stacey typed: > > > PS an undefended trade mark loses its right to further defence or some such, > > > (I'm not a lawyer). > > > > It's not a trade mark, is it? It's copyrighted. That's a whole other set of laws. > > On the bottom of this page ... > > http://www.freebsd.org/art.html Nice page :-) > . the text states that Marshall Kirk McKusick is the > trademark holder for the BSD Daemon image. > However, on another page (I don't have the URL right > now) it says that Kirk owns the copyright of the daemon. > > I guess one of the web pages needs to be corrected, > but I don't know which one. :-) > > Best regards > Oliver I asked someone who registers trademarks as part of her job: One can apply to register a trademark in {(my (Julian) brackets) at least all of} Germany Britain America {etc}. She spoke of an international form where one ticks the countries one wants {to apply to}. I recall there's initial & recuring fees (& admin) on getting & renewing trademarks. So questions could be: Has Kirk (or A.N.Other) registered it [which, what] as a trademark ? In which countries ? When ? URLs please. Have they already/ when will they expire Whose crontab file reminder who Kirk ? to pay renewal fees [to which countries] ? I guess if Kirk didn't/ doesn't want that [future] bother, it's the sort of thing [Free]BSD Foundation might handle ? (Assuming that [Free] bit doesn't provoke Net Open Dragon PC etc BSD who also use the BSD daemon. Occasionaly (eg with Disney graphics ?) one sees some mark under the graphic. Might it be wise to have a tiny C. symbol or other text under the graphic's feet ? (A question for a trademark specialist, Bcc'd :-) Editing an ASCII readable copyright string into eg a .gif image is probably not a bad idea too. Kirk wrote Fri, 05 Feb 2010 11:19:39 -0800 (20:19 CET) > I have gotten word from the authors that they are aware of the > problem and are correcting it (e.g., taking out the daemon). Mon Feb 8 20:48:01 CET 2010 (TZ=GMT+01:00) http://www.iseclab.org/papers/sonda-TR.pdf Page 4 BSD graphic is no longer present, replaced by word "Attacker". Firefox graphic is no longer present, replaced by word "Victim" Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey: BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Mail plain text not quoted-printable, HTML or Base64 http://www.asciiribbon.org