From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Fri Oct 14 07:34:59 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6174DC11D24 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2016 07:34:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julian@freebsd.org) Received: from vps1.elischer.org (vps1.elischer.org [204.109.63.16]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "vps1.elischer.org", Issuer "CA Cert Signing Authority" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3D6ED1647 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2016 07:34:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julian@freebsd.org) Received: from julian-mbp3.pixel8networks.com (50-196-156-133-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.196.156.133]) (authenticated bits=0) by vps1.elischer.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id u9E7YaYA094987 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 14 Oct 2016 00:34:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@freebsd.org) Subject: Re: harder and harder to avoid pkg To: David Demelier , Andrea Venturoli References: <638fe078-80db-2492-90be-f1280eb8d445@freebsd.org> <20161012092403.66a41d9e@freedom.alkumuna.eu> <00f3768e-f57a-661c-aa62-89cdf10926bd@netfence.it> Cc: "freebsd-ports@freebsd.org" , Matthieu Volat From: Julian Elischer Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 00:34:31 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 07:34:59 -0000 On 13/10/2016 5:42 AM, David Demelier wrote: > 2016-10-12 10:04 GMT+02:00 Andrea Venturoli : >> On 10/12/16 09:24, Matthieu Volat wrote: >> >>> And GNU/Linuxes can be a PITA when you have to track -dev(el) packages >>> (which sometimes really requires -bin, -app or whatever), or worst, describe >>> to people how they are supposed to build your software with weird subpackage >>> names. >>> >>> I really like that ports provides the software project as intended by >>> upstream (modulo options). >> >> Just a "me too" here! > Could not agree more. > > Please forget that idea. > > I just hate having to install libfoo, libfoo-dev, libfoo-dbg, > libfoo-doc, libfoo-whatever each time I need to develop on Linux. > Please do not transform FreeBSD as a Linux distribution :) > > I love the way FreeBSD and some very sparse Linux distributions > provide the packages exactly how it would be installed by hand (= > vanilla). > > FreeBSD offers some options and very few changes for better > integration but packages are provided vanilla. You want a package? You > install /packagename/ nothing more, nothing less. I really would like > to see simple vanilla packages for the next 10 years. > > The FreeBSD ports is already extremely complicated, do not make it > even harder :( The suggestion is not for ports, but for packages.. a single package could be unpacked in 'runtime only' or 'everything' mode. basically one package, two manifests. So no "foo-devel" or "foo-runtime" just 'foo' > > Regards, >