From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Thu Sep 17 19:49:44 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5203E3EB8D8 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2020 19:49:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmg@gold.funkthat.com) Received: from gold.funkthat.com (gate2.funkthat.com [208.87.223.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "gate2.funkthat.com", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Bsnc72jz0z4W2s; Thu, 17 Sep 2020 19:49:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmg@gold.funkthat.com) Received: from gold.funkthat.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gold.funkthat.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 08HJnfhN027799 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 17 Sep 2020 12:49:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmg@gold.funkthat.com) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by gold.funkthat.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 08HJnfZs027798; Thu, 17 Sep 2020 12:49:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmg) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 12:49:41 -0700 From: John-Mark Gurney To: Ian Lepore Cc: FreeBSD Current Subject: Re: Deprecating ftpd in the FreeBSD base system? Message-ID: <20200917194941.GY4213@funkthat.com> Mail-Followup-To: Ian Lepore , FreeBSD Current References: <202009171404.08HE4fZj007939@slippy.cwsent.com> <4d2c3d9dd633ed9a264cf3675dcbb4386f11ada3.camel@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4d2c3d9dd633ed9a264cf3675dcbb4386f11ada3.camel@freebsd.org> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 11.3-STABLE amd64 X-PGP-Fingerprint: D87A 235F FB71 1F3F 55B7 ED9B D5FF 5A51 C0AC 3D65 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: https://www.funkthat.com/ X-Resume: https://www.funkthat.com/~jmg/resume.html X-TipJar: bitcoin:13Qmb6AeTgQecazTWph4XasEsP7nGRbAPE X-to-the-FBI-CIA-and-NSA: HI! HOW YA DOIN? can i haz chizburger? User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.1 (2016-04-27) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (gold.funkthat.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 17 Sep 2020 12:49:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Bsnc72jz0z4W2s X-Spamd-Bar: +++ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.75 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[jmg]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[funkthat.com]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.75)[0.750]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.36)[0.360]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.43)[0.435]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[jmg@funkthat.com,jmg@gold.funkthat.com]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:32354, ipnet:208.87.216.0/21, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[jmg@funkthat.com,jmg@gold.funkthat.com]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current] X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 19:49:44 -0000 Ian Lepore wrote this message on Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 09:01 -0600: > On Thu, 2020-09-17 at 18:43 +0400, Gleb Popov wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 6:05 PM Cy Schubert < > > Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com> > > wrote: > > > > > I've been advocating removing FTP (and HTTP) from libfetch as well. > > > People > > > should be using HTTPS only. > > > > > > > Isn't this a bit too much? I often find myself in need to download > > something starting with "http://" or "ftp://" and use fetch for this. > > Indeed, we have products which rely on this ability in libfetch and we > have to keep supporting them for many many years to come. > > I hate it when someone imperiously declares [For security reasons] > "People should/shouldn't be using ______". You have no idea what the > context is, and thus no ability to declare what should or shouldn't be > used in that context. For example, two embedded systems talking to > each other over a point to point link within a sealed device are not > concerned about man in the middle attacks or other modern internet > threats. And I really dislike when people want to make sure that their unique case that less than a percent of people would every hit blocks the security improvements for the majority of people... I've given up on a number of security improvements in FreeBSD because of this attitude... -- John-Mark Gurney Voice: +1 415 225 5579 "All that I will do, has been done, All that I have, has not."