From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 18 15:20:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BBD6106566C for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2011 15:20:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF4138FC22 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2011 15:20:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-103-124.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.103.124]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49B203CE7D for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2011 17:20:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p6IFKKjN002911 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2011 17:20:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 17:20:20 +0200 From: Polytropon To: FreeBSD Message-Id: <20110718172020.1e0d8186.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110718111030.6faab2d5@scorpio> References: <20110717071059.25971662@scorpio> <4E23F31C.3010803@pathscale.com> <20110718073000.29e89590@scorpio> <20110718134903.993b87f5.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110718145155.GA77041@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <20110718111030.6faab2d5@scorpio> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 15:20:23 -0000 On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 11:10:30 -0400, Jerry wrote: > On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 15:51:55 +0100 > Frank Shute articulated: > > > I like Jerry's proposal. The FreeBSD Foundation should organise their > > donations page so that you can donate to various different areas of > > development like TUG do: > > > > https://www.tug.org/donate.html > > > > It should be at least split into server, workstation and general > > development. > > > > I donate to both FreeBSD and TUG but I far prefer the TUG model. When > > I donate to the Foundation, I know a lot of my money is going to > > esoteric server development which doesn't benefit me much but benefits > > large corporations who can afford to fund their own development to > > scratch *their own* itches. I want mine scratched! > > Thanks, I was not familiar with "tug". I will definitely investigate it > further. I am also in total agreement with you statement regarding > donations to the Foundation. How much money (I don't really expect an > answer) was donated to the Java group. Yet, they never delivered an > up-to-date version. I'd like to express my sympathy for such a donation model. It would give those who are not able to contribute to system development to "vote with their wallets" - showing the directions where more development is needed and which functionality is important to them. The question is: How differentiated can such an approach be in reality? > By the way Frank, agreeing with anything I propose on this forum will > probably draw Poly's wrath not to mention the general disapproval of > the masses at large. Again, you are wrong, because it seems that you think throwing stereotypes at people you know nothing about makes you look superior (instead of giving a good argumentation). In the case above, your suggesion _is_ a very good one, and I have no problem agreeing to it, no matter if any obscure "masses at large" would approve or disapprove. Wrath is a feeling unknown to me. > Unfortunately, the "Something for Nothing" mindset > permeates all too strongly though the community. I honestly believe > that there are users here who would rather eat garbage than pay a > dollar (currency of your choosing) to have a fine meal. Not to mention those who pay money to actually eat garbage while being told it's a fine meal. :-) In fact, I would not hesitate to fund development that would fit my individual interests (as my donation would also be individual). If this benefits the whole community (as a "nice side effect"), where would be the problem? -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...