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Date:      Sat, 30 Apr 2022 09:46:47 +0200 (CEST)
From:      Ronald Klop <ronald-lists@klop.ws>
To:        freebsd-net@freebsd.org, freebsd-arm@freebsd.org, bob prohaska <fbsd@www.zefox.net>
Subject:   Re: 60+% ping packet loss on Pi3 under -current and stable-13
Message-ID:  <911244865.14233.1651304807669@localhost>
In-Reply-To: <20220430021207.GA7600@www.zefox.net>

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Hi,


Did you swap cables?


Regards,
Ronald


Van: bob prohaska <fbsd@www.zefox.net>
Datum: 30 april 2022 04:13
Aan: freebsd-net@freebsd.org, freebsd-arm@freebsd.org
CC: bob prohaska <fbsd@www.zefox.net>
Onderwerp: Re: 60+% ping packet loss on Pi3 under -current and stable-13

> 
> 
> Since about December of 2021 I've been noticing problems with
> wired network connectivity on a pair of raspberry pi 3 machines
> using wired network connections. One runs stable-13.1, the other
> runs -current, both are up to date as of a few days ago.
> 
> Essentially both machines fail to respond to inbound network
> connections via ssh or ping after reboot. If I get on the 
> serial console and start an outbound ping to anywhere, both
> machines respond to incoming pings with about a 65% packet
> loss. Ssh connections are answered with delays of zero to
> perhaps thirty seconds. Once connected ssh is usable but
> erratic, with dropped characters, multi-second delays and
> disconnects after random intervals from minutes to hours.
> 
> There are five other Raspberry Pi's on the network. Three
> Pi2's run 12.3-stable, one Pi2 runs -current and a Pi4 runs
> -current. All have no problems pinging one another and out
> of network, so there's nothing obviously wrong with the net.
> The network is not routed, but rather a block of eight
> addresses simply bridged from my ISP over DSL.
> 
> It's been found that an image of 13.1-RC4 behaves similarly
> on one Pi3 when on the public network but exhibits more normal
> ping response when moved to a 192.168.1.n private network. On
> the face of it, this seems significant, but I can't guess how.
> 
> I recall a post on one of the mailing lists about a bug that
> caused problems when packets arrived out-of-order via NAT, 
> but I'm using direct same-network pings and pinging through 
> NAT seems little-to-no worse.
> 
> I was hoping to upgrade my stable-12 machines to stable-13,
> but seeing this behavior gives me pause. If anyone can 
> suggest tests or experiments to figure out what's going on
> I'd be most grateful. I'm no programmer but can follow 
> simple instructions. If this sounds like a known bug(s)
> links to bugzilla would be of much interest.
> 
> Many thanks for reading, and any ideas! If some essential
> details have been omitted please indicate and I'll try to
> supply them. 
> 
> bob prohaska
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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<html><head></head><body>Hi,<div><br /></div><div>Did you swap cables?</div><div><br /></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Ronald</div><div><br /><p><small><strong>Van:</strong> bob prohaska &lt;fbsd@www.zefox.net&gt;<br /><strong>Datum:</strong> 30 april 2022 04:13<br /><strong>Aan:</strong> freebsd-net@freebsd.org, freebsd-arm@freebsd.org<br /><strong>CC:</strong> bob prohaska &lt;fbsd@www.zefox.net&gt;<br /><strong>Onderwerp:</strong> Re: 60+% ping packet loss on Pi3 under -current and stable-13<br /></small></p><blockquote style="margin-left: 5px; border-left: 3px solid #ccc; margin-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px;"><div class="MessageRFC822Viewer do_not_remove" id="P"><!-- P -->
<!-- processMimeMessage --><div class="TextPlainViewer do_not_remove" id="P.P"><!-- P.P -->Since about December of 2021 I've been noticing problems with<br />
wired network connectivity on a pair of raspberry pi 3 machines<br />
using wired network connections. One runs stable-13.1, the other<br />
runs -current, both are up to date as of a few days ago.<br />
<br />
Essentially both machines fail to respond to inbound network<br />
connections via ssh or ping after reboot. If I get on the <br />
serial console and start an outbound ping to anywhere, both<br />
machines respond to incoming pings with about a 65% packet<br />
loss. Ssh connections are answered with delays of zero to<br />
perhaps thirty seconds. Once connected ssh is usable but<br />
erratic, with dropped characters, multi-second delays and<br />
disconnects after random intervals from minutes to hours.<br />
<br />
There are five other Raspberry Pi's on the network. Three<br />
Pi2's run 12.3-stable, one Pi2 runs -current and a Pi4 runs<br />
-current. All have no problems pinging one another and out<br />
of network, so there's nothing obviously wrong with the net.<br />
The network is not routed, but rather a block of eight<br />
addresses simply bridged from my ISP over DSL.<br />
<br />
It's been found that an image of 13.1-RC4 behaves similarly<br />
on one Pi3 when on the public network but exhibits more normal<br />
ping response when moved to a 192.168.1.n private network. On<br />
the face of it, this seems significant, but I can't guess how.<br />
<br />
I recall a post on one of the mailing lists about a bug that<br />
caused problems when packets arrived out-of-order via NAT, <br />
but I'm using direct same-network pings and pinging through <br />
NAT seems little-to-no worse.<br />
<br />
I was hoping to upgrade my stable-12 machines to stable-13,<br />
but seeing this behavior gives me pause. If anyone can <br />
suggest tests or experiments to figure out what's going on<br />
I'd be most grateful. I'm no programmer but can follow <br />
simple instructions. If this sounds like a known bug(s)<br />
links to bugzilla would be of much interest.<br />
<br />
Many thanks for reading, and any ideas! If some essential<br />
details have been omitted please indicate and I'll try to<br />
supply them. <br />
<br />
bob prohaska<br />
&nbsp;&nbsp;<br />
<br />
<br />
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