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To: Peter Dufault <dufault@hda.com>
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Subject: Re: Proposal to change name of this list to a less embarrassing one 
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Date: Thu, 6 Jul 1995 10:52:03 +0200
From: "Julian Stacey <jhs@freebsd.org>" <jhs@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de>
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> From: Peter Dufault <dufault@hda.com>
> Has this proven to be a problem for anyone,

Hacker is not a good word in Germany:
	- I have talked to numerous technical & managerial people in Germany,
	  (in offices & more numerously at conferences etc) about the benefits
	  of FreeBSD, their reaction swings negative whenever the opposition
	  overhear me, butt in, & say "it's done by a load of hackers, what do
	  you expect for free !" Then I have to waste time explaining ..again..
	- there's a Hackers Handbook,
	- we have a Chaos Club up north `full of hackers' (to quote common
	  perception), 
	- eg NC (Networks & Comms) magazine 6/95 P22 Col 2 Para 2 (my
	  translation from German follows):
	"Many security experts hold that Satan is virtually an invitation
	for the international hackers scene to check out the weak points
	of the Internet"
`Hacker' is an un-necessary liability to our fine Op System.

I guess people in the business of providing Unix like OSs to students &
motivated individuals don't encounter much resistance, but I'm trying to 
venture into new markets, where the people are less `op. system literate';
here the word `Hacker' is a superfluous danger signal.

Julian S	Munich, Germany