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Date:      Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:16:41 -0800
From:      Ludwig Pummer <ludwigp@bigfoot.com>
To:        Doug White <dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu>, Mark Castillo <mark@relationships.com>
Cc:        freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: SOCKS or NAT
Message-ID:  <3.0.3.32.19980216141641.0337eea0@mail.plstn1.sfba.home.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.3.96.980216112759.10577I-100000@gdi.uoregon.edu>
References:  <004f01bd38cd$90774a70$c800a8c0@phineas>

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At 11:28 AM 2/16/98 -0800, Doug White wrote:
>On Fri, 13 Feb 1998, Mark Castillo wrote:
>
>> I am planning on installing a small network of about 3-5 pc's.  One will be
>> FreeBSD connected to ASDL and local ethernet (192.168.0.x).  We will
only be
>> using outbound www, ftp, and email, and possibly use ICQ.  Is it easier to
>> use a SOCKS server (with socksified clients) or "natd"?
>
>natd by a long shot.  SOCKS requres SOCKSified clients.
>
>Doug White                              | University of Oregon  
>Internet:  dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu    | Residence Networking Assistant
>http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite    | Computer Science Major

I've found ICQ is quite picky about working through a natd / SOCKSed
machine. I've got 5 systems connected via a cable modem and was using NEC's
SOCKS5 for a while. This worked _sometimes_. ICQ would take forever to
connect when using the SOCKS5 method, but i could usually get incoming
direct connections (chat requests, file transfers). Using the SOCKS4
method, ICQ connected more quickly, but i couldn't get incoming direct
connections. I finally used natd's port -> ip:port redirection and set up
15 incoming TCP ports for each ICQ machine. ICQ is set to use those 15
incoming TCP ports instead of communicating with a SOCKS firewall. That's
been working very well for a few weeks now.
Two notes: 1) ICQ still uses incoming UDP to communicate with the ICQ
servers, but natd is intelligent about those. 2) ICQ doesn't seem to work
too well with SOCKS5. I saw in /var/log/messages that ICQ was requesting a
port, getting a different one (one or two ports higher than it requested),
closing that port, and requesting another. I think Mirabilis needs to worka
on their SOCKS5 support.

--Ludwig Pummer
ludwigp@bigfoot.com   ICQ UIN: 692441   http://chipweb.home.ml.org


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