Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2023 14:48:30 +0300 From: Toomas Soome <tsoome@me.com> To: garyj@gmx.de Cc: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>, FreeBSD CURRENT <freebsd-current@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: WITH_BEARSSL: -8112 bytes available Message-ID: <3A0E5086-8397-45AD-8312-23B8CC5104CE@me.com> In-Reply-To: <20230601103010.69f92495@ernst.home> References: <20230529105854.1903226d@thor.intern.walstatt.dynvpn.de> <CANCZdfo-PojzQrL5ppxSLLfp%2B5f-ToqQD_N3p3aYtEKBodQ7xQ@mail.gmail.com> <20230531213026.275c4eaf@ernst.home> <CANCZdfq=%2BB4dPogpPk%2BMnXev5V3M-a7Kx5O2XMoSBJcTY5F%2B4Q@mail.gmail.com> <20230601103010.69f92495@ernst.home>
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--Apple-Mail=_8C26DF97-1C6A-4917-8D0C-D47BCE962D69 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > On 1. Jun 2023, at 11:30, Gary Jennejohn <garyj@gmx.de> wrote: >=20 > On Wed, 31 May 2023 14:41:23 -0600 > Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com <mailto:imp@bsdimp.com>> wrote: >=20 >> On Wed, May 31, 2023 at 1:30?PM Gary Jennejohn <garyj@gmx.de> wrote: >>=20 >>> On Wed, 31 May 2023 12:15:12 -0600 >>> Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote: >>>=20 >>> [SNIP irrelevant text] >>>=20 >>>> And no, I really do not want to support 'loadable modules'. BIOS = booting >>> is >>>> on the way out, and people >>>> that want to do complex stuff in the boot loader will simply have = to do >>>> that in UEFI or maybe kboot/LinuxBoot. >>>=20 >>> So, what exactly does "BIOS booting is on the way out" mean? I have = four >>> computers which use BIOS booting. Three are too old to support UEFI = and >>> the other one I simply set to BIOS booting out of habit. >>>=20 >>=20 >> New computers aren't supporting it. Its days are numbered. It's = longevity is >> much shorter than UEFI's. These are all indisputable. I'm not = planning on >> dropping it in 15, but the number of people that are using it is a = declining >> group over time. Time spent making EFI more effective will affect = more >> people. That's what I mean. So I don't want to sink a ton of time = into it. >>=20 >=20 > OK, that makes sense. If it disappears after 15 I guess I'll have to > maintain it myself. Should be doable. >=20 >=20 I have this change in my queue: https://reviews.freebsd.org/D40375 toomas --Apple-Mail=_8C26DF97-1C6A-4917-8D0C-D47BCE962D69 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dus-ascii"></head><body style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: = after-white-space;"><br><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On 1. = Jun 2023, at 11:30, Gary Jennejohn <garyj@gmx.de> wrote:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div><meta charset=3D"UTF-8"><span = style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Hack-Regular; = font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; = font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; = text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; = word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: = none; float: none; display: inline !important;">On Wed, 31 May 2023 = 14:41:23 -0600</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); = font-family: Hack-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; = font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; = text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: = normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; = text-decoration: none;"><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); = font-family: Hack-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; = font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; = text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: = normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; = text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;">Warner = Losh <</span><a href=3D"mailto:imp@bsdimp.com" style=3D"font-family: = Hack-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: = normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; = text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: = normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: = 0px;">imp@bsdimp.com</a><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); = font-family: Hack-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; = font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; = text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: = normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; = text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;">> = wrote:</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: = Hack-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: = normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; = text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; = word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: = none;"><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: = Hack-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: = normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; = text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; = word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: = none;"><blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"font-family: Hack-Regular; = font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; = font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: = start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; = widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; = text-decoration: none;">On Wed, May 31, 2023 at 1:30?PM Gary Jennejohn = <garyj@gmx.de> wrote:<br><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Wed, 31 = May 2023 12:15:12 -0600<br>Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> = wrote:<br><br>[SNIP irrelevant text]<br><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">And = no, I really do not want to support 'loadable modules'. BIOS = booting<br></blockquote>is<br><blockquote type=3D"cite">on the way out, = and people<br>that want to do complex stuff in the boot loader will = simply have to do<br>that in UEFI or maybe = kboot/LinuxBoot.<br></blockquote><br>So, what exactly does "BIOS booting = is on the way out" mean? I have four<br>computers which use BIOS = booting. Three are too old to support UEFI and<br>the other one I = simply set to BIOS booting out of habit.<br><br></blockquote><br>New = computers aren't supporting it. Its days are numbered. It's longevity = is<br>much shorter than UEFI's. These are all indisputable. I'm not = planning on<br>dropping it in 15, but the number of people that are = using it is a declining<br>group over time. Time spent making EFI more = effective will affect more<br>people. That's what I mean. So I don't = want to sink a ton of time into it.<br><br></blockquote><br = style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Hack-Regular; = font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; = font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; = text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; = word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: = none;"><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: = Hack-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: = normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; = text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; = word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: = none; float: none; display: inline !important;">OK, that makes sense. = If it disappears after 15 I guess I'll have to</span><br = style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Hack-Regular; = font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; = font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; = text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; = word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: = none;"><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: = Hack-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: = normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; = text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; = word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: = none; float: none; display: inline !important;">maintain it myself. = Should be doable.</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); = font-family: Hack-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; = font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; = text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: = normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; = text-decoration: none;"><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); = font-family: Hack-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; = font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; = text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: = normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; = text-decoration: none;"><br></div></blockquote><br></div><div>I have = this change in my queue: <span style=3D"text-decoration: underline; = font-family: Hack; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><a = href=3D"https://reviews.freebsd.org/D40375">https://reviews.freebsd.org/D4= 0375</a></span></div><div><span style=3D"text-decoration: underline; = font-family: Hack; background-color: rgb(255, 255, = 255);"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"font-family: Hack; = background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: = underline;">toomas</span></div><br></body></html>= --Apple-Mail=_8C26DF97-1C6A-4917-8D0C-D47BCE962D69--
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