From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 24 12:34:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from prometheus.vh.laserfence.net (prometheus.laserfence.net [196.44.73.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55E3E37B41A for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 12:34:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from phoenix.vh.laserfence.net ([192.168.0.10]) by prometheus.vh.laserfence.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16pEgV-0000Fd-00; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 22:33:47 +0200 Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 22:33:45 +0200 (SAST) From: Willie Viljoen X-X-Sender: will@phoenix.vh.laserfence.net To: Mike Meyer Cc: Chip Morton , FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: [burnscharlesn@hotmail.com: Advocacy help for CS professor] In-Reply-To: <15518.14098.914375.572020@guru.mired.org> Message-ID: <20020324223244.C307-100000@phoenix.vh.laserfence.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I wish web designers would just take the time to familiarise themselves with HTML standards. Things like anybrowser.org are very easy to understand and follow, even for the kind of web designer who has no technical expertise whatsoever, and just looks at the WYSIWYG display on his screen and decides if it's visually perfect or not... On Sun, 24 Mar 2002, Mike Meyer wrote: > In <4.3.2.7.2.20020324125937.019edf00@threespace.com>, Chip Morton typed: > > At 12:21 PM 3/24/2002, Mike Meyer wrote: > > >Anyone who actually knew anything about the desktop market would have > > >predicted the result of Netscape trying to out-Microsoft Microsoft. > > >It's like the neighborhood bully tangling with the 800-lb gorilla. You > > >get a very broken bully. > > And as much as I recognize the problem, at the end of the day I don't > > really care about standards as much as being able to see my choice web > > sites quickly and correctly. I think most web site designers are the same > > way > > No, most web site designers aren't that bright. All they care about is > proper display in MSIE in the out of the box configuration. At least, > that's the impression one gets from most web sites. It makes me > ashamed to ever have had anything to do with building web sites. > > Any web site that fails to work properly in one or more of the > browsers designed for the visually impaired is in violation of the > ADA. If you're running a web site run with government funding for any > part of it, you're required to comply by a number of different > regulations. If you're a commercial web site in the US, whether you > are legally required to comply with it depends on whether or not your > district court thinks a web site is a public place of business. > > Given the current trends in the legal system in the US and abroad, it > will actually depend on whether or not any of your users are in a > district that cares, even if your web site isn't in US. > > > figuring that most of their audience will be using Internet Explorer, > > and the small minority who aren't will be able to find their way to an IE > > without too much effort. (It is free, right?) > > How can I use IE if I don't run Windows or a RISC workstation? > > Better yet, how do I put a system running MSIE in my pocket and carry > it around? A properly designed web site will work fine on browsers I > can fit in my pocket. That's why I run w3m with autoloading of frames > turned off - I want to know which web sites are going to work on my > Palm, and which aren't, and seldom bookmark the latter. > > > As much as possible, I try not to set my non-Windows browsers to report as > > IE. Site administrators may never notice, but I want to "stand up and be > > counted" as a FreeBSD user. Somebody might actually start paying attention > > one day. > > Yup. I even the system name to FreeBSD in the Linux ABI, so that > Netscape reports me as a FreeBSD user. > > > >I also disable a number of other things to save my failing > > >eyesight. I keep a box with Windows installed just to boot and run IE > > >when I come to a site that can't operate in that environment. There's > > >nothing else in the Windows partition that I care about. > > I'm glad to know that I'm not the only one who did/does this. I had a > > Windows 98 system for a while whose only purposes was running IE6 and > > displaying web pages. :-) > > That system also runs -stable in test mode before I install it on > production machines, boots -current, and has a Linux install on > it. Again, there's nothing on them I care about. Those are the many > faces of eve :-). > > -- > Mike Meyer http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ > Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > > > -- Willie Viljoen Private IT Consultant 214 Paul Kruger Avenue Universitas Bloemfontein 9321 South Africa +27 51 522 15 60, a/h +27 51 522 44 36 +27 82 404 03 27 will@laserfence.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message