From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 28 12:22:51 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5525D37B401 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 12:22:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.chesapeake.net (chesapeake.net [205.130.220.14]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6170B43F93 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 12:22:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jroberson@chesapeake.net) Received: from localhost (jroberson@localhost) by mail.chesapeake.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2SKMh235468; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 15:22:43 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jroberson@chesapeake.net) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 15:22:43 -0500 (EST) From: Jeff Roberson To: Daniel Eischen In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030328151526.S64602-100000@mail.chesapeake.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-17.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) cc: arch@freebsd.org cc: Scott Long Subject: Re: 1:1 threading. X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 20:22:52 -0000 On Fri, 28 Mar 2003, Daniel Eischen wrote: > On Fri, 28 Mar 2003, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > > > David Xu wrote: > > > > > > do you think that a multithreaded process should use more CPU time then > > > a single thread process, so threaded process should have higher priority > > > and block other single thread processes out? AFAIK, threading is not > > > designed for this, you may misunderstand what threading is designed for. > > > > Threading might not have been originally designed for this, but a lot of > > people use it this way, a lot of people *want* it this way, and POSIX > > specifically mandates that this way be available. > > It is available through pthread_attr_setscope(). > > There's some confusion over this and the way libthr is implemented. > KSE's within the same KSE Group were not designed to give more CPU > time than a normal unthreaded/single KSE'd process. Unless this > has been changed in the kernel somehow, the use of multiple KSEs > by libthr or libkse (in a single KSEG) will not get any more CPU > time than a non-threaded program. There was some debate over > this, but multiple KSEs within a KSEG were _not_ suppose to allow > this. You are suppose to create a new KSEG in order to get > this behavior. > This is not how it is implemented in either scheduler that we currently have. I'm not saying which way is more or less correct because I think you could argue either way. We can not entirely correctly implement SCOPE_PROCESSES threads right now anyway. This being said.. It is a property of the thr system calls and not libthr. I have a flags field in thr_create() that could be used to indicate which scope the thread should contend in. Cheers, Jeff