From owner-freebsd-net@freebsd.org Sun May 12 17:13:17 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-net@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB603159C87D for ; Sun, 12 May 2019 17:13:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eugen@grosbein.net) Received: from eg.sd.rdtc.ru (eg.sd.rdtc.ru [IPv6:2a03:3100:c:13::5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "eg.sd.rdtc.ru", Issuer "eg.sd.rdtc.ru" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D2FEF80768; Sun, 12 May 2019 17:13:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eugen@grosbein.net) X-Envelope-From: eugen@grosbein.net X-Envelope-To: brooks@freebsd.org Received: from [10.58.0.4] ([10.58.0.4]) by eg.sd.rdtc.ru (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id x4CHD385049241 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Mon, 13 May 2019 00:13:03 +0700 (+07) (envelope-from eugen@grosbein.net) Subject: Re: FCP-101: obsolete driver removal planned for 2019-05-18 To: Warner Losh References: <201905111433.x4BEWnlX058386@fire.js.berklix.net> <3c911071-f794-1e27-87e1-16a789a95852@grosbein.net> Cc: "Julian H. Stacey" , Brooks Davis , freebsd-net@freebsd.org From: Eugene Grosbein Message-ID: <653f20cf-7ea8-9688-8233-8ad59e6febd8@grosbein.net> Date: Mon, 13 May 2019 00:12:56 +0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: D2FEF80768 X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=permerror (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of eugen@grosbein.net uses mechanism not recognized by this client) smtp.mailfrom=eugen@grosbein.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.51 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MX_INVALID(0.50)[cached]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.28)[-0.284,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[grosbein.net]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.52)[0.516,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_PERMFAIL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.12)[-0.122,0]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[country: RU(0.01)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:29072, ipnet:2a03:3100::/32, country:RU]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-net@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Networking and TCP/IP with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 May 2019 17:13:17 -0000 13.05.2019 0:00, Eugene Grosbein wrote: > 12.05.2019 8:21, Warner Losh wrote: > >> >> I've posted a review to remove obsolete 10 and 10/100 Ethernet drivers >> >> as previous approved in FCP-101. >> >> The following drivers are slated for >> >> removal from FreeBSD-HEAD (to be FreeBSD-13): >> >> ae, bm, cs, de, ed, ep, ex, fe, pcn, sf, sn, tl, tx, txp, vx, wb, xe >> > OMG ! ed ! That EOL's loads of PC boxes I have (& a show box of >> > spare) that will never be able to upgrade. >> Do those boxes have 10M-only or 100Mbps variants of ed(4)? >> What kind of hardware do they have (CPU and memory-wise)? >> >> There are no 100M ed variants. There are some PC Card variants that have 100M MII connections, but they are limited to about 12Mbps due to bus limits. Even the PCI ones didn't have 100M mii connections. > > There was RTL8029AS "NE2000-compatible" 100M 32 bit PCI 2.1 adapter. > Not sure if ed(4) supports RTL8029AS. Sorry, my memory failed me. RTL8029AS was capable of 10Mbps full duplex (20Mbps in total) but had 10BaseT transceiver only. I wonder what is applicability of 10Mbps hardware these days.