From owner-freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 21 21:05:03 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDE8410657E3 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 21:05:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-emulation@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72B008FC12 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 21:05:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-emulation@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1KsNYA-0004sN-7l for freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:09:54 +0000 Received: from 200.41.broadband11.iol.cz ([90.178.41.200]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:09:54 +0000 Received: from gamato by 200.41.broadband11.iol.cz with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:09:54 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org From: martinko Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 22:09:44 +0200 Lines: 136 Message-ID: <48FE3708.8010501@users.sf.net> References: <78cb3d3f0807260841k336f20a9jce857189c55adb16@mail.gmail.com> <78cb3d3f0807270122r4d2377d9gbf4e3ed5386918fa@mail.gmail.com> <20080727121503.679bc598@deskjail> <78cb3d3f0807271003q3f5ab72dr2147cf7b1a3348fc@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 200.41.broadband11.iol.cz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.17) Gecko/20081009 SeaMonkey/1.1.12 In-Reply-To: Sender: news Cc: freebsd-database@freebsd.org, rofug@rofug.ro, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Q: Is there any use for Oracle database port installation under Linux compat root ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Development of Emulators of other operating systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 21:05:03 -0000 Chagin Dmitry wrote: > On Sun, 27 Jul 2008, Adrian Penisoara wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Alexander Leidinger < >> Alexander@leidinger.net> wrote: >> >>> Quoting "Adrian Penisoara" (Sun, 27 Jul 2008 >>> 11:22:20 >>> +0300): >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I am working on a FreeBSD port for Oracle's XE database package[1] >>> (Linux >>>> binaries) and I stumbled upon some issues related to USE_LINUX_PREFIX. >>>> Before going any further trying to support (as an option) installing >>>> the >>>> Oracle XE directly under the /compat/linux hierarchy (like the >>>> database/linux-oracle-instantclient-* ports are doing), I have to >>>> ask ask >>>> around the following: >>>> >>>> (1) Is there any real need/benefit to have an Oracle DB installation >>> rooted >>>> under /compat/linux (e.g. /compat/linux/usr/lib/oracle/xe/...) ? Side >>> note: >>>> in this case all shell scripts will need to be ran under >>>> /compat/linux/bin/bash. >>>> >>>> (2) How does one deal with installing manual pages and shared files >>>> with >>>> USE_LINUX_PREFIX -- do they also have to go under /compat/linux ? Using >>>> ${MANPREFIX} as a template gives wrong results in this case... >>> >>> A port has to install into LINUXPREFIX, if it is an infrastructure >>> port (no part has to go outside this location). It has to install into >>> the default location (PREFIX/LOCALBASE), if it is an enduser port. >>> That's the easy part. >> >> >> Good pointer, I was missing this bit. Thanks. >> >> >>> >>> >>> Now the classification, what is what, is the hard part. The linux >>> png/jpeg or whatever lib is for sure infrastructure. If this would land >>> in the default FreeBSD lib path, rest assured it would hurt. A linux >>> acroread port is an enduser application, a user will call it directly >>> to work with it. It also does not come with libs in the default FreeBSD >>> locations, so everything will be fine if it is installed in the default >>> location. >>> >>> For the Oracle stuff I can imagine that it is a hard question. If it >>> doesn't put libs into a FreeBSD lib directory (a subdirectory of a lib >>> directory is ok, as it will not cause immediate problems), there are no >>> immediate objections to putting it into the default FreeBSD location >>> (and as the DBA as an enduser would use it, this would fit into the >>> description above). But we also have the rule that nothing is allowed >>> to be put into the basesystem (/usr/Y instead of /usr/local/Y). Think >>> about jails where the base is mounted read-only and only additional >>> programs are in a RW part. >> >> >> In the default configuration the binaries (and I mean all of them!) >> would >> be placed under /usr/lib/oracle, since this is a hardcoded path in all >> places. >> I will also offer a "WITH_BSDHIER" option which will root the >> installation >> into /usr/local/oracle and just make a symlink under /usr/lib. Should I >> rather make this the default ? ;) >> >> There are no libraries (or other binaries for that fact) installed >> outside >> the Oracle hierarchy (this is the general strategy for Oracle RDBMS >> products >> at least). So I guess it very nicely fits into the "enduser" picture you >> describe above. I'm just wandering whether a /compat/linux rooted >> installation would make sense. >> >> I am still interested to hear opinions from Oracle DBAs/users on this >> subject -- would you need this option ? >> > > hi! > > I think that ora DBAs will tell that the best place it /home/ORAUSERNAME > and this user should have shell /compat/linux/bin/bash > > thnx! > Hi, No Oracle installation I have ever seen was installed into /home and it would be against Oracle Optimal Flexible Architecture (OFA) guidelines! /usr/local/oracle would be OK and users can move the directory tree elsewhere afterwards. Or maybe you can ask about Oracle Base directory during config/installation process, if possible. Cheers, Martin PS: Mind you that Oracle installation is usually owned by Oracle software owner user (oinstall by default) who is different from DBA/operator users (dba/oper by default). >> >>> >>> >>> In the end it comes down to what you are able to do and how hard the >>> software is to port. Maybe it is easy to install everything into >>> LINUXBASE and install a wrapper into LOCALBASE (/usr/local/bin/Y would >>> be a script with #!/compat/linux/bin/bash and start whatever is needed >>> to start /compat/linux/bin/Y). Maybe the installation of the software >>> allows to install into /usr/local/softwarename and you can make links >>> from /usr/local/bin/ to it. >>> >>> The rules for this are strong suggestions. If it is possible to do, >>> do everything you can to follow the rules, if you don't know how to >>> make something follow the rules, ask specific questions on ports if >>> someone has in idea. If there's no idea, forget the rule and try to do >>> something as close as possible to the goal of the rule (and document >>> what/why). >>> >>> Bye, >>> Alexander. >>> >>> >> Thank you for your time. >> Adrian.