From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 21 13:10:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA02468 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 13:10:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from polaris.pacificnet.net (polaris.pacificnet.net [207.171.0.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA02460 for ; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 13:10:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bear@pacificnet.net) Received: from pm3g-43.pacificnet.net (pm3g-43.pacificnet.net [207.171.35.92]) by polaris.pacificnet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA17554; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 13:08:21 -0800 (PST) env-from (bear@pacificnet.net) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 13:08:19 -0800 (PST) From: Joey Garcia To: Capriotti cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FUG- FreeBSD User Group In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19691231210000.00c45920@pop.mpc.com.br> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I think I said once that I had a link to a "Newbie FreeBSD Book", well I finally found it. (I have a cluttered Bookmark.html) Anyways, you can find this book at www.vmunix.com I think that's it. But you can try .org or something if it's not .com. Basically, it's in the process of being written and most of the stuff is online. Although, I prefer printed texts rather than online texts. I mean when your computer fails to work, all the online html in the world won't do any good I guess. Anyways, I do have some web space to burn, and I could use some HTML practice. I used to code HTML alot, but then I lost interest in it a couple of years ago. Things have changed alot since then, but it's not all that much different. Joey Bear Garcia =================================================== Joseph Garcia Downey, CA bear@pacificnet.net "Dont drink and drive, you might spill the beer." =================================================== On Sat, 21 Mar 1998, Capriotti wrote: > Dear Joey and KapuT. > > > Several points on what you both just said are true, but the main problem > with FreeBSD today is partialy caused by it's best part: > > Centralization. > > A code, once it is written, will not be included as part of FreeBSD at > once; It will first be tested - a LOT ! - and next released as alpha, beta, > and so on. > > PPL don't like it, but this is the way to make Free solid as a rock, and > that's why I chose FBSD, and many ppl too. > > It is never too much to mention companies like Sony Electronics and Yahoo, > that use FreeBSD, and not other comercial or free unix package. > > Be patient if you can't - like myself - code a progam. Coding could be the > best way to support free, but, on the ohter hand, opening a IRC channel > would also be great, but finding ppl to sit and answer is somtimes > difficult; Why ? Simple: Hackers (I'd better call them crackers, since they > break in systems. hackers build systems. They KNOW HOW to invade them, buy > they have their ethics - as I was saing, crackers don't like FreeBSD > because of this "slow-growth" structure. > > Example: FreeBSD is about to release the final and maybe stable version of > the SMP kernel. Linux has it for a long time ago. > > But I heard that planing on Free's SMP was taken VERY seriosly indeed, to > avoid problems like too much overhead, crashes, etc... The rock-stable > stuff, right ? > > Linux did a great job too, but I'm actually not familiar to it. > > The real point is: This "slow-growth" struc is not atractive to > hackers/crackers, so they move to Linux (usually) and start coding for it. > > Do you guys feel you can convince a couple of newbies or good programers to > start coding for FreeBSD ? And would them agree giving away their sources, > to the rest of the world ? > > Well, if yes, you are both a great oportunity to the FReeBSD community. > > If not, Let us keep on giving our opinions about the FreeBSD Home Page that > never changes, and where most of us, newbies (I myself am a two year > newbie... I'ts two years I first bought my FBSD CD, but only now I could > actually put it to work) egt lost after information. > > Let us keep trying to understand those huge and cryptographic MAN pages; > They are good for those who already know how Unix - general Unix - work, > but we get much more confused when we look at them (there are exceptions > !!! Some pages are REALLY good !). > > Finally, Let us - why not - start a newbie gide ! Once I tryed to do it > myself here in Brazil, but I couldn't, since my success was indeed limited. > Now a fellow - Edson Brandi - started one in portuguese, and it helped me > to put my system running; I am now starting to write my own experiences and > problems, and he is publishing them. > > I believe that we could do the same here. Who among us is good at HTML, or > has a good HTML editor ? > > I could translate Edson's texts, and we could start a site from somewhere ! > > Opinions ??? > > Best regards ! [May the force be with us, ppl ! I feel we can make the > difference !] > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message