From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Tue Apr 6 19:25:46 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DFC35B61E5 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2021 19:25:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) Received: from udns.ultimatedns.net (static-24-113-41-81.wavecable.com [24.113.41.81]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "ultimatedns.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FFHYk1GBrz4gKQ; Tue, 6 Apr 2021 19:25:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) Received: from ultimatedns.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by udns.ultimatedns.net (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTP id 136JPq1R082396; Tue, 6 Apr 2021 12:25:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2021 12:25:52 -0700 From: Chris To: Warner Losh Cc: Ed Maste , freebsd-stable stable Subject: Re: Deprecating base system ftpd? In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: UDNSMS/17.0 Message-ID: <410c8c8764da1dd53b77d07befe91c41@bsdforge.com> X-Sender: bsd-lists@bsdforge.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4FFHYk1GBrz4gKQ X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.00 / 15.00]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11404, ipnet:24.113.0.0/16, country:US]; local_wl_ip(0.00)[24.113.41.81] X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2021 19:25:46 -0000 On 2021-04-03 13:45, Warner Losh wrote: > On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 2:40 PM Ed Maste wrote: > >> I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system >> before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447 >> (https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447) to add a notice to the man page. >> I had originally planned to try to do this before 13.0, but it dropped >> off my list. FTP is not nearly as relevant now as it once was, and it >> had a security vulnerability that secteam had to address. I *strongly* object. MacOS also did this. Which made me discover that I could simply copy my already built FreeBSD version over to all my MacOS laptops and now enjoy an even better version than had previously existed. This fact has made my use and need for FreeBSD' ftp even more important. It has also made FreeBSD more popular with the Mac folks. I depend upon ftp(1) && ftpd(8). I have on FreeBSD, for as many years as FreeBSD has existed. I find the ssh and related ports are probed and hammered on constantly. Whereas the ftp ports are quite rare by comparison. So keeping sshd(8) and friends ports closed removes overhead. I have no difficulty managing ftpd(8) via inet(8) && hosts.allow(5). Ftp && ftpd are both trivial programs and should not be considered for removal. If the reason for their suggested removal is "development overhead". Please allow me to maintain both. I will happily assume full responsibility for them. Thank you for listening. :-) --Chris >> >> I'm happy to make a port for it if anyone needs it. Comments? >> > > I already use one of the ports ftpd's for my needs, so this is fine by me. > I'm agnostic about whether we need a port for what was in base, but suspect > that's likely the path of least resistance. > > Warner > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"