From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 9 18:33:05 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1607106566C for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 18:33:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 764DF8FC0A for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 18:33:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 9873DE8061A; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 11:33:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 11:33:04 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110609183304.GB8057@thought.org> References: <20110609005656.GA9183@thought.org> <20110609035313.GA30448@guilt.hydra> <4DF049AC.3050403@radel.com> <20110609052113.GA4291@thought.org> <20110609053430.GA30732@guilt.hydra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110609053430.GA30732@guilt.hydra> Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. Of_Interest: With 24++ years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: Long Day's Journey into X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 18:33:05 -0000 On Wed, Jun 08, 2011 at 11:34:30PM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: > Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 23:34:30 -0600 > From: Chad Perrin > Subject: Re: Long Day's Journey into > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > On Wed, Jun 08, 2011 at 10:21:13PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 12:18:52AM -0400, Jon Radel wrote: > > > On 6/8/11 11:53 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > > > > > > > >I think I've just had ports die one by one on a switch until it no longer > > > >worked. I don't think I've ever had the whole thing go poof for no > > > >evident reason. > > > > > > Ditto. Most recently a Cisco switch had a rather useful port go > > > into a really weird state that didn't really look broken but bits > > > just...weren't....flowing. Took a while, and a lot of poking at the > > > server in question, before we looked at each other and said, "Wait, > > > we've been assuming the switch works, what if it isn't." > > > > Hm. WEll, I suppose stranger things have happened. If Chad has > > had his switch drop connections one-by-one---well, news to me! > > I figured, hey, solid- state will work forever and 20 years, > > whichever comes first. ... > > I've had it happen with no fewer than three switches. I've also seen an > "enterprise" class Netgear switch issue a "death scream" of some sort > over the network at the moment the fiber optic cable was removed from it, > crashing the BigIron switch that ran the data center. > > . . . but Cisco switches are overpriced crap. We were disconnecting the > Netgear to replace it with a Cisco that offered a lot more functionality, > and administration turned out to be a fucking nightmare with that thing. > It's like replacing Postfix with MS Exchange because you want integrated > calendaring and all the other crap in the BusinessWeek full-page ad, then > finding out that you basically need a full-time employee just to manage > that one server. > LOL, man. But then, your troubles were at work, right? I mean somewhere that has dozens or more people, users/computers going thru the switch [?] Years ago I had as many a 6 computers--including my daughter's ancient W2K on a Kayak and wife's work laptop and my several tower and laptops going thru the 16-porter. *Still*, I don't care, the daamn thing should have lasted longer than it did. The LG is tiny and probably cutting-edge. And I'm down to two computers. Server, desktop, and firewall. 5250DN printer. So 4 things. ASAP, I will replace the computer that runs pfSense with a tiny kit that sips 4w. So doing my best to green up things. > > > > > > > BTW, Gary, Linksys=Cisco is pretty much just a marketing thing and > > > not a technology thing. > > > > Sure. But I've had luck++ with LinkSys for years, even before > > Cisco bought them out. --My new switch is an LG. See what > > happens. ... . > > In my (limited) experience, Linksys actually got more annoying after > Cisco bought out the company. [?] I ferget what all i bought that was Lonksys--prior to the buyout--but they were all fairly cheap and reliable. Maybe Cicso had some of the engineers do 70-hour weeks. Sure wouldn't be the first company. anyhow, at least next time I won't spent 5 days in the rough. gary > > -- > Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org The 8.51a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org