From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 19 14:26: 4 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from neptune.deep-ocean.net (APastourelles-102-1-2-208.abo.wanadoo.fr [217.128.208.208]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B8D537B404 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:25:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by neptune.deep-ocean.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 266485EF05; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 23:25:53 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 23:25:53 +0100 From: Olivier Cortes To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: more -current testers Message-ID: <20020219232553.F21763@neptune.deep-ocean.local> Mail-Followup-To: Olivier Cortes , freebsd-current@freebsd.org References: <20020219125011.A15871@blackhelicopters.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020219125011.A15871@blackhelicopters.org>; from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org on Tue, Feb 19, 2002 at 12:50:11PM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE i386 up 1 day, 6:27, 1 user, load averages: 0.04, 0.03, 0.02 Organization: Deep-Ocean Network X-URL: http://www.deep-ocean.org/ Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, i'm a freelance sys/net admin/architect who works with bsd (free/open) in France (Paris/Bordeaux). i'm reading your columns very regularly. Your writing are easy to understand and that's a good point ! I'm (for now) just following mailing lists (security, hackers, stable, current) and i want to help. I'm making progress slowly but surely. Soon i will be quite mature with bsd, and i will be able to report bugs, and later debug (at this time i'm playing with cvs and making worlds). if you write some docs, i will read them, and i will have time to report some bugs if you tell me how to do it right. I'm sticking with stable now (compiling once a day), but it's been times since i wanted to help the -current project; but i wouldn't have been efficient so i didn't do it. from my point of view, it is NOT too early. Go ahead !!! I think i'll be ready when your doc are finished. I understand that's it is only my point of view (and i can be considered as zero helper / poor joe user), but hey, it's one more potential tester :-) Even if i can't support what you (developpers) do the way you would like, i really appreciate the work you do on FreeBSD, and i try to show it by using and installing FreeBSD. Thanks ! Olivier (saturday i will buy a serial cable to start playing with ;-) ) On Tue, Feb 19, 2002 at 12:50:11PM -0500, Michael Lucas wrote: > I understand that we're getting to that stage where we need more > -current testers. > > We all agree that the optimal thing would be to have hordes of very > sophisticated users who can debug problems on their own and submit > patches to fix all their issues. I would guess that we all also agree > that that's not going to happen. > > It seems that the best we can hope for is to educate some of the > braver users who are ready to take the next step and are willing to > donate some time to us. > > I'm considering doing a series of articles on testing FreeBSD-current, > including: setting up for kernel dumps, what to type at the debugger > prompt after a crash, filing a decent bug report, what to expect from > -current, and so on. I would also make it clear when to not bother > filing a bug report (i.e., "You crashed, but had no WITNESS? Sorry, > enable WITNESS & try again."). This would be (I suspect) three > articles, running about a month and a half. > > The last time I checked, I get 12-15 thousand readers for each > article. One half of one percent uptake would (hopefully) be quite a > few bug reports. > > My question to the community is: is it too early to do this? If I > start now, the articles would probably appear April-May. > > Thanks, > Michael > > -- > Michael Lucas mwlucas@FreeBSD.org, mwlucas@BlackHelicopters.org > my FreeBSD column: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/Big_Scary_Daemons > > http://www.blackhelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message -- Olivier Cortes GPG 1024/46CE0A51 : 8DB6 A56C 00CA DA0F F77F 86EB E86A 803C 46CE 0A51 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message