From owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Sat Mar 3 22:37:47 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AD29F4253E; Sat, 3 Mar 2018 22:37:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 42linoge@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x234.google.com (mail-wm0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7D35B7A1C2; Sat, 3 Mar 2018 22:37:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 42linoge@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x234.google.com with SMTP id t3so9299362wmc.2; Sat, 03 Mar 2018 14:37:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=uDmaXLFRazqHlgmQlebPrQxs9yY5IQWeoZDVAXyTTmA=; b=SfdVpbcjxh6P3tJkxKUS1KPE+DmmTeOABdYeX9CFBOOqs3vBo7XmUuY6WxLp0Szc/g wFsRar9CoWeW0cwJei6LHpvNkjvNmPACWd4PbkQ7vAi0Ex3rwkUJuEJmaJgmAoMbJwLe MoQonaEMVyDlJsyhMjA/4i3b9TJkx+VgulevKtOOGkl4wnor2H5r0r1ieXDeP8DGkLWp ggYuzftLI5kLpUDCRqO/bLxpz0cS5b9QvjLIU8nEVyEFeJnE7416RY532KZJiKR7Q6LU I39hnY4dz1DUzVlMrV8un1vRLRqtvS7fePMl8rxsyZNiQcY/BYnK6k8d5OhMDvqTNW14 CbpA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=uDmaXLFRazqHlgmQlebPrQxs9yY5IQWeoZDVAXyTTmA=; b=TGhQ2NVe6NqiyPkQzWcPpAfSRL8OBp7FNbB1WV00iNYbdMaq1SfaDcjuOgf46Ljpe6 VKvef6aC/bLFbLDN5PxtQaof06j2eaRQ0FHsdv43WmQRnvtYjiP3NvqhRfdxzCYU2lTG QrtGLU57jA8ZftGsU1klDbedaA7Rb40QkcrYigCaC8qP5Ms+MoOYsQ/4FG2I+cp8FGHT L4+78pj99L1K+LwnsxR6sEGvS6WgYjrNqU1vo61Ngm6B/FN8cg085fNfX6tQbsqDYGQn 32T27HM7EHLL8wl4tCkeWNZ8ZCJJxDoVNg7x4MfTZUGw2jY7ufYS+KSwgusuw3BZ0qXB ZmoA== X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPCtZtU8jvxsTqjKSEGSH67AjG/MxF0YX2tMghD5yTvHcXTpVBxB y0iuhoTVrakgKknDNNgRybfpEfG2njuQ2tnRTlo+lg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AG47ELvUOW48WqbEKbWCoBFumll6zBSIWeXXZ09SW/9LEB1fD1biWBWWY4OxbRP3q8H6ScYrfrSs2sj1w5jW94wYbL0= X-Received: by 10.80.245.73 with SMTP id w9mr12848272edm.230.1520116665154; Sat, 03 Mar 2018 14:37:45 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <6d2JakAYeM2E8PxcTzAulsl0FCU-76lOjBF_KOn-HtspxRbrGVkZWKi0K2BwErZJnQ3eEbuLp4eOUOhehhBwRfgu3Q9nABfOd5uzv1Mi1ZA=@protonmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6d2JakAYeM2E8PxcTzAulsl0FCU-76lOjBF_KOn-HtspxRbrGVkZWKi0K2BwErZJnQ3eEbuLp4eOUOhehhBwRfgu3Q9nABfOd5uzv1Mi1ZA=@protonmail.com> From: Carlos Gottberg <42linoge@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2018 22:37:34 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD's politics problem To: John Darrah Cc: "freebsd-chat@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2018 22:37:47 -0000 What the fsck have I just read? On Sat, Mar 3, 2018, 7:33 PM John Darrah via freebsd-chat < freebsd-chat@freebsd.org> wrote: > FreeBSD recently introduced an updated Code of Conduct that developers and > members must adhere to. There has been much backlash online about it and > about introducing identity politics into a technical OS project in general. > The Code of Conduct was adopted from the "Geek Feminism" wiki's version, > which claims (among other things) that racism against whites doesn't exist, > sexism against men doesn't exist, and that certain protected classes of > people should not be criticised. > > Emails of the internal discussion about this controversial Code of Conduct > have now been leaked publicly, painting a picture of the disagreement in > the FreeBSD project about how this was handled. > > A number of developers, particularly benno@, phk@ and des@, have used > racist > and sexist remarks against those criticising the far-reaching project > policy > change, saying that the concerns about the policy essentially boil down to > "white male privilege" and being "on the wrong side of history". > > Other developers expressed concern about the policy being thrown upon them > with no discussion or debate, as well as The FreeBSD Foundation's choice > to pay an outside person (with donations from the users) to work on the > Code of Conduct's enforcement. Said person identifies as a feminist. > > Mods on BSD and FreeBSD-related subreddits are censoring posts, removing > threads, and banning users for posting the link. Colin Percival is among > the mods doing the removal. FreeBSD forum mods are also cracking down and > eliminating any discussion. Censorship is not the way to win culture wars. > > This file is an email archive in MBOX format. You can open it with any > email client (including the mail or mutt commands) or view it as plaintext > with any text editor. It contains just over 200 emails. > > View: > > https://privatebin.net/?4c0fb59e63e8271e#irS3KFaEdtuFxsVM4xzQ4/llXLhSz0oZLV9WuOEUHBc= > > Download: > https://mega.nz/#!xBpHBSAb!ENyoYPopqGVlx320X-a4ecpRjJBtPvd9jmRT9h57eao > https://my.mixtape.moe/nhybsi.mbox > > I encourage you to read and form your own opinions, especially with regard > to how the project is handling donation money. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > On Mar 3, 2018 7:33 PM, "John Darrah via freebsd-chat" < freebsd-chat@freebsd.org> wrote: FreeBSD recently introduced an updated Code of Conduct that developers and members must adhere to. There has been much backlash online about it and about introducing identity politics into a technical OS project in general. The Code of Conduct was adopted from the "Geek Feminism" wiki's version, which claims (among other things) that racism against whites doesn't exist, sexism against men doesn't exist, and that certain protected classes of people should not be criticised. Emails of the internal discussion about this controversial Code of Conduct have now been leaked publicly, painting a picture of the disagreement in the FreeBSD project about how this was handled. A number of developers, particularly benno@, phk@ and des@, have used racist and sexist remarks against those criticising the far-reaching project policy change, saying that the concerns about the policy essentially boil down to "white male privilege" and being "on the wrong side of history". Other developers expressed concern about the policy being thrown upon them with no discussion or debate, as well as The FreeBSD Foundation's choice to pay an outside person (with donations from the users) to work on the Code of Conduct's enforcement. Said person identifies as a feminist. Mods on BSD and FreeBSD-related subreddits are censoring posts, removing threads, and banning users for posting the link. Colin Percival is among the mods doing the removal. FreeBSD forum mods are also cracking down and eliminating any discussion. Censorship is not the way to win culture wars. This file is an email archive in MBOX format. You can open it with any email client (including the mail or mutt commands) or view it as plaintext with any text editor. It contains just over 200 emails. View: https://privatebin.net/?4c0fb59e63e8271e#irS3KFaEdtuFxsVM4xzQ4/llXLhSz0oZLV9WuOEUHBc= Download: https://mega.nz/#!xBpHBSAb!ENyoYPopqGVlx320X-a4ecpRjJBtPvd9jmRT9h57eao https://my.mixtape.moe/nhybsi.mbox I encourage you to read and form your own opinions, especially with regard to how the project is handling donation money. _______________________________________________ freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"