From owner-freebsd-security@freebsd.org Wed Dec 6 00:00:14 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-security@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5174FE87901 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 00:00:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from shell1.rawbw.com (shell1.rawbw.com [198.144.192.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D0A779519 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 00:00:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from yv.noip.me (c-24-6-186-56.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [24.6.186.56]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell1.rawbw.com (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id vB600C2l047076 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 5 Dec 2017 16:00:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) X-Authentication-Warning: shell1.rawbw.com: Host c-24-6-186-56.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [24.6.186.56] claimed to be yv.noip.me Subject: Re: http subversion URLs should be discontinued in favor of https URLs To: Poul-Henning Kamp Cc: freebsd-security@freebsd.org, Dewayne Geraghty , Gordon Tetlow References: <97f76231-dace-10c4-cab2-08e5e0d792b5@rawbw.com> <5A2709F6.8030106@grosbein.net> <11532fe7-024d-ba14-0daf-b97282265ec6@rawbw.com> <8788fb0d-4ee9-968a-1e33-e3bd84ffb892@heuristicsystems.com.au> <20171205220849.GH9701@gmail.com> <24153.1512513836@critter.freebsd.dk> <1294e5c4-9554-b9f5-8ea9-13aca5411e9a@rawbw.com> <24380.1512516635@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Yuri Message-ID: <7bf1420c-2a3c-c9d0-fe91-7e69f9415214@rawbw.com> Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 16:00:11 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <24380.1512516635@critter.freebsd.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-BeenThere: freebsd-security@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: "Security issues \[members-only posting\]" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2017 00:00:14 -0000 On 12/05/17 15:30, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > The CA conglomerate is broken, trojaned and backdoored, and documented > as such, and therefore HTTPs is a potempkin shell of security. > > Until HTTPS has something more trustworthy than the CA conglomerate > to distribute keys, it is no safer in any respect than plain HTTP. You are wrong. https with all its problems is still safer. If I am browsing through Tor, any exit node operator can easily perform a MITM attack in case of http, which they generally can't do in case of https. In case of https he needs to be a state actor privy to the CA compromise. Yuri